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recently discovered screaming kids & wild children are fantastic tools for practicing patience & tolerance - especially without any of my own -

askonomm 4y ago
I have the opposite thing. I become more and more frustrated and intolerant towards kids and especially their parents for making the rest of us go through that. I get it that they wanted kids and were ready for the screaming and whining and moaning, but I didn't want that. And yet I have no option, I have to tolerate it, too. If I could pay for child-free transport, I would.
- jghn 4y ago
  In general you can get closer to this by paying more. For instance with air travel families with children don’t often fly first class or stay at hotels at the upper tier of cost. But it’s not perfect on most cases
- sokoloff 4y ago
  You can. Planesense, NetJets, Delta Black, and many others would be happy to take your business. Far short of that, first class on trans-oceanic tend to be kid-free or well-behaved kids at least. Domestic flights, first-class is less pricey and therefore more prone to having kids in it.
  - Zhenya 4y ago
    What is delta black. I can’t find anything after a cursory search.
    - sokoloff 4y ago
      It was Delta’s private jet product. https://news.delta.com/tags/delta-private-jets https://news.delta.com/tags/delta-private-jets (The flight crews wore black uniforms.) It looks like Wheels Up bought them: https://www.deltaprivatejets.com/ https://www.deltaprivatejets.com/
- bryanrasmussen 4y ago
  >I get it that they wanted kids and were ready for the screaming and whining and moaning you should consider as various circumstances arise that maybe they wanted kids without disabilities that cause the screaming, whining, and moaning and while you have to tolerate it they might have to live with it for the rest of their lives. Maybe I'm just touchy though because I ran into someone with an attitude last week.
  - fluoridation 4y ago
    Huh? A kid doesn't need to be disabled to be loud and obnoxious. Hell, neither does an adult.
    - bryanrasmussen 4y ago
      no, but a kid might have a disability that makes them loud and obnoxious and be thinking the parent's wanted this particular outcome why is my precious few hours being negatively affected. whine.
      - fluoridation 4y ago
        You're talking about it as if having children is an act of god, and not a decision people make. "I hate that this person decided to have a child and take it with them on a flight next to me" is a perfectly reasonable thought, I'd say. Whether the child is disabled or not is, I think, completely irrelevant.
- pigtailgirl 4y ago
  used to view it this way also - flipped the script - because - life is too short to raise the blood pressure over things: ultimately beyond ones control - easier on the psyche to lower the ego to zero in these situations - smile - think about this as part of the human experience - use it as a test of my will - empathy & compassion for my fellow humans - brings peace - even joy - for me anyways - :=)
- rsyring 4y ago
  Invest in a good pair of noise cancelling head phones?
- throw7 4y ago
  My dad told me I was one of _those_ type of cry babies. :) Now, I've been on those flights and I just laugh. A little perspective may help.
- argc 4y ago
  As the parent of a young daughter, I have little sympathy for humans who do not themselves exhibit sympathy and understanding for the behavior of the youngest members of the human race. Children and babies cry and throw tantrums, and many humans reproduce. If they didn't, the human race would end. These are two facts of life that acceptance of, imo, will make your life easier as a fellow member of the human race. Oh, lastly, families need to travel, and bring their youngest members with them. I think you should get noise cancelling headphones, and ear plugs, the former of which I always use on planes and helps take the edge off a baby's screams. I wouldn't have a problem with planes charging more for a section of seats that have improved sound barriers or something like that, however.
  - tshaddox 4y ago
    It should be abundantly clear that no one is actually blaming the children. > If they didn't, the human race would end. > Oh, lastly, families need to travel, and bring their youngest members with them. My parents reproduced exactly enough to replace themselves, and needed to travel great distances with their children, and still never once used an airplane. This was also very common among my peers growing up. It's ludicrous to suggest that the human race's survival depends on children routinely flying commercial to go on vacations.
    - argc 4y ago
      > It's ludicrous to suggest that the human race's survival depends on children routinely flying commercial to go on vacations. True. Its not at all necessary to go on vacations. Required is a strong word, but I would say ability to move freely is somewhat of a basic human right. In the modern world, air travel is important given families are spread out, which necessitates air travel to allow families to see each other. Modern business requirements also often require air travel, and (speaking for myself) I have sometimes brought my daughter on business trips out of necessity or convenience. I also wasn't saying the human race would end if people didn't go on family vacations, strictly that it would end if people didn't reproduce. so I'm saying, people should try to be ok with reproduction/kids (and therefore kids crying) if they care about the future of the human race. The right of people with kids to travel with their kids is separate, but I think it follows.
- xeromal 4y ago
  I used to be that way and I still have the same temptation, but I'll say now, for the benefit of yourself, that's it's better to train yourself to handle outside issues like that. I realize that life has a lot of annoyances. Bad drivers, bad bosses, shit friends, and crying babies on flights. I'll never be able to filter them all out so instead I learn to hone my frustration and drive it away. I try to be stoic. I'm not perfect and I still often get frustrated, but life has immensely improved because of it. You'll never be able to stop the entire world from annoying you, but you can stop your reactions to it.
- Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
  > I get it that they wanted kids and were ready for the screaming and whining and moaning I am of the opinion that there are a lot of parents that wanted a baby but didn't really want to raise children. Like a child that wants a kitten and then gets bored a year later when the kitten has turned into a cat.

askonomm 4y ago

I have the opposite thing. I become more and more frustrated and intolerant towards kids and especially their parents for making the rest of us go through that. I get it that they wanted kids and were ready for the screaming and whining and moaning, but I didn't want that. And yet I have no option, I have to tolerate it, too. If I could pay for child-free transport, I would.

jghn 4y ago
In general you can get closer to this by paying more. For instance with air travel families with children don’t often fly first class or stay at hotels at the upper tier of cost. But it’s not perfect on most cases
sokoloff 4y ago
You can. Planesense, NetJets, Delta Black, and many others would be happy to take your business. Far short of that, first class on trans-oceanic tend to be kid-free or well-behaved kids at least. Domestic flights, first-class is less pricey and therefore more prone to having kids in it.
- Zhenya 4y ago
  What is delta black. I can’t find anything after a cursory search.
  - sokoloff 4y ago
    It was Delta’s private jet product. https://news.delta.com/tags/delta-private-jets https://news.delta.com/tags/delta-private-jets (The flight crews wore black uniforms.) It looks like Wheels Up bought them: https://www.deltaprivatejets.com/ https://www.deltaprivatejets.com/
bryanrasmussen 4y ago
>I get it that they wanted kids and were ready for the screaming and whining and moaning you should consider as various circumstances arise that maybe they wanted kids without disabilities that cause the screaming, whining, and moaning and while you have to tolerate it they might have to live with it for the rest of their lives. Maybe I'm just touchy though because I ran into someone with an attitude last week.
- fluoridation 4y ago
  Huh? A kid doesn't need to be disabled to be loud and obnoxious. Hell, neither does an adult.
  - bryanrasmussen 4y ago
    no, but a kid might have a disability that makes them loud and obnoxious and be thinking the parent's wanted this particular outcome why is my precious few hours being negatively affected. whine.
    - fluoridation 4y ago
      You're talking about it as if having children is an act of god, and not a decision people make. "I hate that this person decided to have a child and take it with them on a flight next to me" is a perfectly reasonable thought, I'd say. Whether the child is disabled or not is, I think, completely irrelevant.
pigtailgirl 4y ago
used to view it this way also - flipped the script - because - life is too short to raise the blood pressure over things: ultimately beyond ones control - easier on the psyche to lower the ego to zero in these situations - smile - think about this as part of the human experience - use it as a test of my will - empathy & compassion for my fellow humans - brings peace - even joy - for me anyways - :=)
rsyring 4y ago
Invest in a good pair of noise cancelling head phones?
throw7 4y ago
My dad told me I was one of _those_ type of cry babies. :) Now, I've been on those flights and I just laugh. A little perspective may help.
argc 4y ago
As the parent of a young daughter, I have little sympathy for humans who do not themselves exhibit sympathy and understanding for the behavior of the youngest members of the human race. Children and babies cry and throw tantrums, and many humans reproduce. If they didn't, the human race would end. These are two facts of life that acceptance of, imo, will make your life easier as a fellow member of the human race. Oh, lastly, families need to travel, and bring their youngest members with them. I think you should get noise cancelling headphones, and ear plugs, the former of which I always use on planes and helps take the edge off a baby's screams. I wouldn't have a problem with planes charging more for a section of seats that have improved sound barriers or something like that, however.
- tshaddox 4y ago
  It should be abundantly clear that no one is actually blaming the children. > If they didn't, the human race would end. > Oh, lastly, families need to travel, and bring their youngest members with them. My parents reproduced exactly enough to replace themselves, and needed to travel great distances with their children, and still never once used an airplane. This was also very common among my peers growing up. It's ludicrous to suggest that the human race's survival depends on children routinely flying commercial to go on vacations.
  - argc 4y ago
    > It's ludicrous to suggest that the human race's survival depends on children routinely flying commercial to go on vacations. True. Its not at all necessary to go on vacations. Required is a strong word, but I would say ability to move freely is somewhat of a basic human right. In the modern world, air travel is important given families are spread out, which necessitates air travel to allow families to see each other. Modern business requirements also often require air travel, and (speaking for myself) I have sometimes brought my daughter on business trips out of necessity or convenience. I also wasn't saying the human race would end if people didn't go on family vacations, strictly that it would end if people didn't reproduce. so I'm saying, people should try to be ok with reproduction/kids (and therefore kids crying) if they care about the future of the human race. The right of people with kids to travel with their kids is separate, but I think it follows.
xeromal 4y ago
I used to be that way and I still have the same temptation, but I'll say now, for the benefit of yourself, that's it's better to train yourself to handle outside issues like that. I realize that life has a lot of annoyances. Bad drivers, bad bosses, shit friends, and crying babies on flights. I'll never be able to filter them all out so instead I learn to hone my frustration and drive it away. I try to be stoic. I'm not perfect and I still often get frustrated, but life has immensely improved because of it. You'll never be able to stop the entire world from annoying you, but you can stop your reactions to it.
Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
> I get it that they wanted kids and were ready for the screaming and whining and moaning I am of the opinion that there are a lot of parents that wanted a baby but didn't really want to raise children. Like a child that wants a kitten and then gets bored a year later when the kitten has turned into a cat.