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This kind of sloppy thinking is why politics is such a sewer and problems endure. To start there are lots of different types of homeless. One of the biggest g

This kind of sloppy thinking is why politics is such a sewer and problems endure. To start there are lots of different types of homeless. One of the biggest groups are long time working people who went bankrupt and can no longer work because of medical reasons or advanced age or both. Homeless populations are not generated by idleness or political movements but appear every time there is a major economic shock. This most recent boost to the homeless population are no longer dominated by young men but are the oldest and sickest group ever seen showing up in rescue centers. As long as the response is extreme simplification and criminalization of the problem then it will continue to escalate and ultimately we are all responsible regardless of how righteous our political stances have remained all through.

hunterb123 5y ago
Actually I think your comment better represents sloppy political thinking and is part of the reason as to why we have these problems. You ignore the no cash bail, drug decriminalization, and lax policing policies which don't just increase problems from the homeless, but others as well. Progressive policies incentivize criminal behavior, period. Most homeless people have mental illness or drug problems. They don't need cheaper housing or to be ignored and stepped over, they need mental illness programs and rehab programs. End no cash bail, end decriminalization (making it legal is fine), enforce public decency (no needles in the park, no shitting/pissing in the streets, no flashing people). These things weren't problems in Nashville before progressive policies and relaxed enforcement. Homelessness existed before then, it's not caused by homelessness, it's caused by leftists. Be an adult and enforce the existing rules or we can't live in a society.
- juve1996 5y ago
  Where is the statistical evidence of this phenomenon? Yes I've heard the talk points that Joe Rogan has said. But where is the evidence that these policies have led to these issues? Places like Texas have a high homeless population too, and many southern states have huge drug problems.
  - hunterb123 5y ago
    Do you need a study that being lax on crime will incentivize more crime? It's a well known effect: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory Continue to vote for policies that make your city a hell hole. I don't really care anymore, I don't live there.
    - juve1996 5y ago
      The "criticism" section is on that article and has many objections. It is not accepted fact. > It has also been argued that rates of major crimes also dropped in many other US cities during the 1990s, both those that had adopted broken windows policing and those that had not.[41] In the winter 2006 edition of the University of Chicago Law Review, Bernard Harcourt and Jens Ludwig looked at the later Department of Housing and Urban Development program that rehoused inner-city project tenants in New York into more-orderly neighborhoods.[25] The broken windows theory would suggest that these tenants would commit less crime once moved because of the more stable conditions on the streets. However, Harcourt and Ludwig found that the tenants continued to commit crime at the same rate. Still waiting on real evidence of causation.
      - hunterb123 5y ago
        Alright, people are all good, incentives don't exist, and there's no reason to enforce laws. Have fun on the streets in your shithole city! Just remember it's made possible by voters like you! Remember to step over the shit and broken glass, but don't worry the next person won't dare to shit in the same spot! I don't really care if you believe broken window theory, I don't live around your policies.
        juve1996 5y ago
        https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
        5y ago

hunterb123 5y ago

Actually I think your comment better represents sloppy political thinking and is part of the reason as to why we have these problems. You ignore the no cash bail, drug decriminalization, and lax policing policies which don't just increase problems from the homeless, but others as well. Progressive policies incentivize criminal behavior, period. Most homeless people have mental illness or drug problems. They don't need cheaper housing or to be ignored and stepped over, they need mental illness programs and rehab programs. End no cash bail, end decriminalization (making it legal is fine), enforce public decency (no needles in the park, no shitting/pissing in the streets, no flashing people). These things weren't problems in Nashville before progressive policies and relaxed enforcement. Homelessness existed before then, it's not caused by homelessness, it's caused by leftists. Be an adult and enforce the existing rules or we can't live in a society.

juve1996 5y ago
Where is the statistical evidence of this phenomenon? Yes I've heard the talk points that Joe Rogan has said. But where is the evidence that these policies have led to these issues? Places like Texas have a high homeless population too, and many southern states have huge drug problems.
- hunterb123 5y ago
  Do you need a study that being lax on crime will incentivize more crime? It's a well known effect: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory Continue to vote for policies that make your city a hell hole. I don't really care anymore, I don't live there.
  - juve1996 5y ago
    The "criticism" section is on that article and has many objections. It is not accepted fact. > It has also been argued that rates of major crimes also dropped in many other US cities during the 1990s, both those that had adopted broken windows policing and those that had not.[41] In the winter 2006 edition of the University of Chicago Law Review, Bernard Harcourt and Jens Ludwig looked at the later Department of Housing and Urban Development program that rehoused inner-city project tenants in New York into more-orderly neighborhoods.[25] The broken windows theory would suggest that these tenants would commit less crime once moved because of the more stable conditions on the streets. However, Harcourt and Ludwig found that the tenants continued to commit crime at the same rate. Still waiting on real evidence of causation.
    - hunterb123 5y ago
      Alright, people are all good, incentives don't exist, and there's no reason to enforce laws. Have fun on the streets in your shithole city! Just remember it's made possible by voters like you! Remember to step over the shit and broken glass, but don't worry the next person won't dare to shit in the same spot! I don't really care if you believe broken window theory, I don't live around your policies.
      - juve1996 5y ago
        https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
        5y ago