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It's certainly not a prison of those two ideas. As another user mentioned: cash free bail, decriminalizing drugs, those things have little to do with homelessn

It's certainly not a prison of those two ideas. As another user mentioned: cash free bail, decriminalizing drugs, those things have little to do with homelessness but do wreck the safety of a city. Yes cities have homelessness, Nashville always had some, but it wasn't that bad, it's gotten much worse. But from my perspective, the main problem is these people are now tweaked out in broad daylight, or shooting up, needles everywhere in the park. These progressive policies incentivize people to act like this, which churns out more people on the street. Focusing on jobs, mental illness, and rehab programs would be the best thing you could do for homelessness, not encouraging the behavior and building shanty towns.

legitster 4y ago
Sure, but too many people take political credit for burying their crap in other's yards. > As another user mentioned: cash free bail, decriminalizing drugs, those things have little to do with homelessness but do wreck the safety of a city. It's worth pointing out that even in Western cities plagued by homelessness that crime rates are still pretty low. The crime per capita in Seattle or Portland is still only half that of Nashville. So I don't necessarily see a strong link between being tough on drugs/crime and managing homelessness. I still feel pretty safe in Seattle, but that doesn't change the downtown sucks now. There's clearly an intersection here between zoning policy, availability of services, and leniency towards crime.
- david38 4y ago
  Is it really? If you report a crime in a major western city more than likely the police won't file a report. Also "crime per capita" is a very gross and broad statement.
- rpmisms 4y ago
  > The crime per capita in Seattle or Portland is still only half that of Nashville I want to see a source. The 80th time you see drug addicts with their genitalia hanging out, do you call the cops or do you ignore it?
  - ahahahahah 4y ago
    Personally, I don't think that'd be something worthy of calling the cops on the 1st or the 100th time. Nobody's harmed by it. If you meant you'd call the cops because you were worried about them, not to punish them, that's a bit more reasonable. Then, it's just that it's unfortunate that the cops are the only service that you can feasibly call when you're worried about someone in that way considering how their response would often be inappropriate.
    - hunterb123 4y ago
m0llusk 4y ago
This kind of sloppy thinking is why politics is such a sewer and problems endure. To start there are lots of different types of homeless. One of the biggest groups are long time working people who went bankrupt and can no longer work because of medical reasons or advanced age or both. Homeless populations are not generated by idleness or political movements but appear every time there is a major economic shock. This most recent boost to the homeless population are no longer dominated by young men but are the oldest and sickest group ever seen showing up in rescue centers. As long as the response is extreme simplification and criminalization of the problem then it will continue to escalate and ultimately we are all responsible regardless of how righteous our political stances have remained all through.
- hunterb123 4y ago
  Actually I think your comment better represents sloppy political thinking and is part of the reason as to why we have these problems. You ignore the no cash bail, drug decriminalization, and lax policing policies which don't just increase problems from the homeless, but others as well. Progressive policies incentivize criminal behavior, period. Most homeless people have mental illness or drug problems. They don't need cheaper housing or to be ignored and stepped over, they need mental illness programs and rehab programs. End no cash bail, end decriminalization (making it legal is fine), enforce public decency (no needles in the park, no shitting/pissing in the streets, no flashing people). These things weren't problems in Nashville before progressive policies and relaxed enforcement. Homelessness existed before then, it's not caused by homelessness, it's caused by leftists. Be an adult and enforce the existing rules or we can't live in a society.
  - juve1996 4y ago
    Where is the statistical evidence of this phenomenon? Yes I've heard the talk points that Joe Rogan has said. But where is the evidence that these policies have led to these issues? Places like Texas have a high homeless population too, and many southern states have huge drug problems.
    - 4y ago

legitster 4y ago

Sure, but too many people take political credit for burying their crap in other's yards. > As another user mentioned: cash free bail, decriminalizing drugs, those things have little to do with homelessness but do wreck the safety of a city. It's worth pointing out that even in Western cities plagued by homelessness that crime rates are still pretty low. The crime per capita in Seattle or Portland is still only half that of Nashville. So I don't necessarily see a strong link between being tough on drugs/crime and managing homelessness. I still feel pretty safe in Seattle, but that doesn't change the downtown sucks now. There's clearly an intersection here between zoning policy, availability of services, and leniency towards crime.

david38 4y ago
Is it really? If you report a crime in a major western city more than likely the police won't file a report. Also "crime per capita" is a very gross and broad statement.
rpmisms 4y ago
> The crime per capita in Seattle or Portland is still only half that of Nashville I want to see a source. The 80th time you see drug addicts with their genitalia hanging out, do you call the cops or do you ignore it?
- ahahahahah 4y ago
  Personally, I don't think that'd be something worthy of calling the cops on the 1st or the 100th time. Nobody's harmed by it. If you meant you'd call the cops because you were worried about them, not to punish them, that's a bit more reasonable. Then, it's just that it's unfortunate that the cops are the only service that you can feasibly call when you're worried about someone in that way considering how their response would often be inappropriate.
  - hunterb123 4y ago

m0llusk 4y ago

This kind of sloppy thinking is why politics is such a sewer and problems endure. To start there are lots of different types of homeless. One of the biggest groups are long time working people who went bankrupt and can no longer work because of medical reasons or advanced age or both. Homeless populations are not generated by idleness or political movements but appear every time there is a major economic shock. This most recent boost to the homeless population are no longer dominated by young men but are the oldest and sickest group ever seen showing up in rescue centers. As long as the response is extreme simplification and criminalization of the problem then it will continue to escalate and ultimately we are all responsible regardless of how righteous our political stances have remained all through.

hunterb123 4y ago
Actually I think your comment better represents sloppy political thinking and is part of the reason as to why we have these problems. You ignore the no cash bail, drug decriminalization, and lax policing policies which don't just increase problems from the homeless, but others as well. Progressive policies incentivize criminal behavior, period. Most homeless people have mental illness or drug problems. They don't need cheaper housing or to be ignored and stepped over, they need mental illness programs and rehab programs. End no cash bail, end decriminalization (making it legal is fine), enforce public decency (no needles in the park, no shitting/pissing in the streets, no flashing people). These things weren't problems in Nashville before progressive policies and relaxed enforcement. Homelessness existed before then, it's not caused by homelessness, it's caused by leftists. Be an adult and enforce the existing rules or we can't live in a society.
- juve1996 4y ago
  Where is the statistical evidence of this phenomenon? Yes I've heard the talk points that Joe Rogan has said. But where is the evidence that these policies have led to these issues? Places like Texas have a high homeless population too, and many southern states have huge drug problems.
  - 4y ago