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every wallet has unlimited addresses, this is a user education issue alongside an implementation issue. if you feel there are some user interface and user exper

every wallet has unlimited addresses, this is a user education issue alongside an implementation issue. if you feel there are some user interface and user experience things that can help, then the space is available for you to contribute to. thats what a lot of people are doing and it is very lucrative. What did you mean by this? > people still need to get into their accounts when software is unavailable so it seems unlikely passwords are ever completely going away. Using a password uses software?

stormbrew 4y ago
I don't really have any interest in solving a problem I don't think makes sense to solve? I fundamentally don't think "using your wallet to log in to your porn" is a good idea, and I don't think any amount of education is going to change that. There's just no reason this needs to be solved with blockchain. It doesn't add anything useful except that a bunch of people suddenly have private keys but don't know what they even really are. Like I said, I think password managers and totp software are just inherently better positioned to 'solve' this (if it needs solving). Also, I've long since lost any interest in participating get rich quick schemes built on fads, so "it's a lucrative space" isn't really the appeal you think it is. > What did you mean by this? Sometimes people lose their phones.
- vmception 4y ago
  Like I said, it's a choice. Everything that has been built has been because people channel their cynicism into an improvement. This particular space is inherently built to incentivize that, and thats what has occurred over the last decade and is only accelerating now that the builders are capitalized well enough to hire more builders.
  - stormbrew 4y ago
    Your mistake is assuming that your pet cause is the thing people should be channeling their skepticism-driven effort into. You’re basically asking me to try to solve world hunger with car manufacturing. I can see the merit in solving the problem, and am perfectly happy to help contribute to solving it, but your chosen tool has literally nothing to recommend itself as a solution.
    - vmception 4y ago
      > Your mistake > Assuming > You’re basically asking I'm not assuming that. I'm not saying that. I'm not asking you to do anything so what mistake is possible? I'm not forcing you to drink, I'm not even leading you to the water. I said, in a very pragmatic way, that being just a cynic is a choice. The people that such cynics are criticizing are and were also cynics. The users on the other hand, go ahead and make fun of them, they don't know shit. The builders that led everything to the state it is were and are cynics. I'm only saying this is what people are doing and that's the choice they took, its available. So its not really as divisive as you think when its cynics all the way down. Find someone else to convince you why that choice is viable for you. Everyone knows your stance, I don't care about that axe you to have to grind, my role was what I said.
      - stormbrew 4y ago
        My god. You say I have an axe to grind, but I suggest that maybe there are better tools for the thing under discussion and I'm a cynic, making fun of users, tearing down the builders. This is just ad hominem. You did indeed ask me to expend effort, whether you see it that way or not. If you want to build great things, you might want to learn how to listen to criticism and not just assume that anyone who disagrees with you is being mean.
        vmception 4y ago
        I make fun of users. I think they are fair game. The user behavior adds to other people’s cynicism. Thats the only relation. I dont know if you make fun of users, its not ad hominem, I’m not looking at any of your other threads. To me, this isnt a discussion about other technologies, thats why I’m ignoring your rebuttals if you would call them that, I know blockchains have tradeoffs and I dont care: Focus on what you can control and go where the customers are. I’m sticking with my supposition that cynics have a choice, thats the whole conversation to me.
- vmception 4y ago
  > Sometimes people lose their phones. Oh you mean based on the idea that people know their passwords? The password manager is a software too? How do you think people are using blockchains and their keys there? They may be using mnemonic phrases mentally and that also doesn't require using their phone to regenerate their private key (and also doesn't require the user having internet to sign something), seems to cover your criteria but if you can articulate what use cases you are imagining that might help. Mnemonics are supposed to be potentially catchier to memorize, but we/I/users can be realistic and back them up other ways.

stormbrew 4y ago

I don't really have any interest in solving a problem I don't think makes sense to solve? I fundamentally don't think "using your wallet to log in to your porn" is a good idea, and I don't think any amount of education is going to change that. There's just no reason this needs to be solved with blockchain. It doesn't add anything useful except that a bunch of people suddenly have private keys but don't know what they even really are. Like I said, I think password managers and totp software are just inherently better positioned to 'solve' this (if it needs solving). Also, I've long since lost any interest in participating get rich quick schemes built on fads, so "it's a lucrative space" isn't really the appeal you think it is. > What did you mean by this? Sometimes people lose their phones.

vmception 4y ago
Like I said, it's a choice. Everything that has been built has been because people channel their cynicism into an improvement. This particular space is inherently built to incentivize that, and thats what has occurred over the last decade and is only accelerating now that the builders are capitalized well enough to hire more builders.
- stormbrew 4y ago
  Your mistake is assuming that your pet cause is the thing people should be channeling their skepticism-driven effort into. You’re basically asking me to try to solve world hunger with car manufacturing. I can see the merit in solving the problem, and am perfectly happy to help contribute to solving it, but your chosen tool has literally nothing to recommend itself as a solution.
  - vmception 4y ago
    > Your mistake > Assuming > You’re basically asking I'm not assuming that. I'm not saying that. I'm not asking you to do anything so what mistake is possible? I'm not forcing you to drink, I'm not even leading you to the water. I said, in a very pragmatic way, that being just a cynic is a choice. The people that such cynics are criticizing are and were also cynics. The users on the other hand, go ahead and make fun of them, they don't know shit. The builders that led everything to the state it is were and are cynics. I'm only saying this is what people are doing and that's the choice they took, its available. So its not really as divisive as you think when its cynics all the way down. Find someone else to convince you why that choice is viable for you. Everyone knows your stance, I don't care about that axe you to have to grind, my role was what I said.
    - stormbrew 4y ago
      My god. You say I have an axe to grind, but I suggest that maybe there are better tools for the thing under discussion and I'm a cynic, making fun of users, tearing down the builders. This is just ad hominem. You did indeed ask me to expend effort, whether you see it that way or not. If you want to build great things, you might want to learn how to listen to criticism and not just assume that anyone who disagrees with you is being mean.
      - vmception 4y ago
        I make fun of users. I think they are fair game. The user behavior adds to other people’s cynicism. Thats the only relation. I dont know if you make fun of users, its not ad hominem, I’m not looking at any of your other threads. To me, this isnt a discussion about other technologies, thats why I’m ignoring your rebuttals if you would call them that, I know blockchains have tradeoffs and I dont care: Focus on what you can control and go where the customers are. I’m sticking with my supposition that cynics have a choice, thats the whole conversation to me.
vmception 4y ago
> Sometimes people lose their phones. Oh you mean based on the idea that people know their passwords? The password manager is a software too? How do you think people are using blockchains and their keys there? They may be using mnemonic phrases mentally and that also doesn't require using their phone to regenerate their private key (and also doesn't require the user having internet to sign something), seems to cover your criteria but if you can articulate what use cases you are imagining that might help. Mnemonics are supposed to be potentially catchier to memorize, but we/I/users can be realistic and back them up other ways.