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I was using the terms interchangeably since they publish the trial results as a study in medical journals but ok. Specifically, which phase of the Pfizer trial

I was using the terms interchangeably since they publish the trial results as a study in medical journals but ok. Specifically, which phase of the Pfizer trials? They got the EUA after completing three phases.. Phase 1/2: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2639-4.pdf https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2639-4.pdf Page 10 shows 0 deaths in the trial with the most severe adverse event being a "disturbed sleep" event. Phase 3: https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577?articleTools=true https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577?articleTo... This was the big RCT trial with 43,400 participants. 2 participants in the medication group died, 4 participants in the control group died, so the vaccine cuts deaths from unrelated causes by 50%! (joking of course) In any case, they didn't even include all cause mortality as an end point. So again - please provide a link to whatever it is you're referring to because "trust me bro, more people died" doesn't really cut it.

Izkata 5y ago
Sorry, I did misremember the exact timing - It was the people from Phase 3, but at the 6-month follow-up: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34525277/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34525277/ (see Figure 1, 15 dead in control group, 16 dead in vaccine group) There was another report I remember seeing (but can't find now) that was about this same group that broke it down by cause of death. That one showed a reduction in covid deaths (I think it was like 2 or 3 covid vs 4 covid), with other causes more than making up the difference. But again with such low numbers it doesn't really prove anything, just that I think it's enough to raise questions and definitely doesn't warrant the "safe and effective" mantra.
- mikeyouse 5y ago
  > definitely doesn't warrant the "safe and effective" mantra. This is just the dumbest thing. Literal antivaxx nonsense in the most pejorative way possible. Something like 260 million Americans are vaccinated, there is literally no evidence of vaccine injury, especially when compared to the rates of the supposed injuries (myocarditis included) in those who contract covid. Follow-on studies show a 95% decrease in the rate of mechanical ventilation/death in those who have been boosted. The vaccines are the very definition of safe and effective. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7112e1.htm#T2_down https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7112e1.htm#T2_down

Izkata 5y ago

Sorry, I did misremember the exact timing - It was the people from Phase 3, but at the 6-month follow-up: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34525277/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34525277/ (see Figure 1, 15 dead in control group, 16 dead in vaccine group) There was another report I remember seeing (but can't find now) that was about this same group that broke it down by cause of death. That one showed a reduction in covid deaths (I think it was like 2 or 3 covid vs 4 covid), with other causes more than making up the difference. But again with such low numbers it doesn't really prove anything, just that I think it's enough to raise questions and definitely doesn't warrant the "safe and effective" mantra.

mikeyouse 5y ago
> definitely doesn't warrant the "safe and effective" mantra. This is just the dumbest thing. Literal antivaxx nonsense in the most pejorative way possible. Something like 260 million Americans are vaccinated, there is literally no evidence of vaccine injury, especially when compared to the rates of the supposed injuries (myocarditis included) in those who contract covid. Follow-on studies show a 95% decrease in the rate of mechanical ventilation/death in those who have been boosted. The vaccines are the very definition of safe and effective. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7112e1.htm#T2_down https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7112e1.htm#T2_down