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Knoxville is still nice, Nashville is already ruined by progressive policies. Homeless pissing on the sidewalk in broad daylight, hassling people as you walk o

Knoxville is still nice, Nashville is already ruined by progressive policies. Homeless pissing on the sidewalk in broad daylight, hassling people as you walk out of buildings, etc. I wish people that moved to places like Nashville and Austin would rethink who and what they vote for.

JaimeThompson 4y ago
>progressive policies. What are progressive policies?
- rpmisms 4y ago
  Cash free bail, hard drugs being decriminalized, anti-gun/anti-personal-protection laws.
  - hunterb123 4y ago
    Yeah, that about sums it up.
  - x86_64Ubuntu 4y ago
    So those problems didn't exist during the "tough-on-crime" era?
  - JaimeThompson 4y ago
    Other countries have decriminalized hard drugs without drastic increases in crime, haven't they? What anti-gun/anti-personal-protection laws are you referring to?
    - rpmisms 4y ago
      Other countries have very different problems than the US. I don't think that's controversial. Try getting a gun legally in NYC. It's next to impossible. I can carry in downtown Nashville, no problem. You'd be a lot less likely to carjack someone if you thought they might have a gun, right?
      - JaimeThompson 4y ago
        Carjackings are up in cities in multiple states including Chicago, New Orleans, Kansas City, Mo, Louisville, Ky, and DC to name some of them. Even the cities in the list above where it is easy to get a weapon are showing drastic increases.
rpmisms 4y ago
Nashville does have some of the problematic population, but thankfully it's balanced by the rest of the state. It's also far better than my mid-size Western NY city.
legitster 4y ago
> ruined by progressive policies. I mean, I get it. SF's bad policies certainly encourage ne'er-do-wells. But if the other side of the spectrum is "run homeless people out of town and make them some other cities' problem" then color me unimpressed.
- hunterb123 4y ago
  It's certainly not a prison of those two ideas. As another user mentioned: cash free bail, decriminalizing drugs, those things have little to do with homelessness but do wreck the safety of a city. Yes cities have homelessness, Nashville always had some, but it wasn't that bad, it's gotten much worse. But from my perspective, the main problem is these people are now tweaked out in broad daylight, or shooting up, needles everywhere in the park. These progressive policies incentivize people to act like this, which churns out more people on the street. Focusing on jobs, mental illness, and rehab programs would be the best thing you could do for homelessness, not encouraging the behavior and building shanty towns.
  - legitster 4y ago
    Sure, but too many people take political credit for burying their crap in other's yards. > As another user mentioned: cash free bail, decriminalizing drugs, those things have little to do with homelessness but do wreck the safety of a city. It's worth pointing out that even in Western cities plagued by homelessness that crime rates are still pretty low. The crime per capita in Seattle or Portland is still only half that of Nashville. So I don't necessarily see a strong link between being tough on drugs/crime and managing homelessness. I still feel pretty safe in Seattle, but that doesn't change the downtown sucks now. There's clearly an intersection here between zoning policy, availability of services, and leniency towards crime.
    - david38 4y ago
      Is it really? If you report a crime in a major western city more than likely the police won't file a report. Also "crime per capita" is a very gross and broad statement.
dunhuang_nomad 4y ago
High home prices are the leading cause of homelessness. Everything mentioned here are marginal at best, extremely counterproductive at worst. Lock up more people? What happens when they get out of jail, it's harder for them to find a job and a place to live. Where do they end up, back on the streets. Unless the solution is indefinite detention of people, I'm not sure how criminalization solves homelessness.
ricardobayes 4y ago
My hometown is as conservative as it gets, yet there are agressive panhandlers and homeless everywhere. Cities are not ruined by politics, or politicians, but by the people who live there. There is no 'greater force', or 'them' to blame.

JaimeThompson 4y ago

>progressive policies. What are progressive policies?

rpmisms 4y ago
Cash free bail, hard drugs being decriminalized, anti-gun/anti-personal-protection laws.
- hunterb123 4y ago
  Yeah, that about sums it up.
- x86_64Ubuntu 4y ago
  So those problems didn't exist during the "tough-on-crime" era?
- JaimeThompson 4y ago
  Other countries have decriminalized hard drugs without drastic increases in crime, haven't they? What anti-gun/anti-personal-protection laws are you referring to?
  - rpmisms 4y ago
    Other countries have very different problems than the US. I don't think that's controversial. Try getting a gun legally in NYC. It's next to impossible. I can carry in downtown Nashville, no problem. You'd be a lot less likely to carjack someone if you thought they might have a gun, right?
    - JaimeThompson 4y ago
      Carjackings are up in cities in multiple states including Chicago, New Orleans, Kansas City, Mo, Louisville, Ky, and DC to name some of them. Even the cities in the list above where it is easy to get a weapon are showing drastic increases.

rpmisms 4y ago

Nashville does have some of the problematic population, but thankfully it's balanced by the rest of the state. It's also far better than my mid-size Western NY city.

legitster 4y ago

> ruined by progressive policies. I mean, I get it. SF's bad policies certainly encourage ne'er-do-wells. But if the other side of the spectrum is "run homeless people out of town and make them some other cities' problem" then color me unimpressed.

hunterb123 4y ago
It's certainly not a prison of those two ideas. As another user mentioned: cash free bail, decriminalizing drugs, those things have little to do with homelessness but do wreck the safety of a city. Yes cities have homelessness, Nashville always had some, but it wasn't that bad, it's gotten much worse. But from my perspective, the main problem is these people are now tweaked out in broad daylight, or shooting up, needles everywhere in the park. These progressive policies incentivize people to act like this, which churns out more people on the street. Focusing on jobs, mental illness, and rehab programs would be the best thing you could do for homelessness, not encouraging the behavior and building shanty towns.
- legitster 4y ago
  Sure, but too many people take political credit for burying their crap in other's yards. > As another user mentioned: cash free bail, decriminalizing drugs, those things have little to do with homelessness but do wreck the safety of a city. It's worth pointing out that even in Western cities plagued by homelessness that crime rates are still pretty low. The crime per capita in Seattle or Portland is still only half that of Nashville. So I don't necessarily see a strong link between being tough on drugs/crime and managing homelessness. I still feel pretty safe in Seattle, but that doesn't change the downtown sucks now. There's clearly an intersection here between zoning policy, availability of services, and leniency towards crime.
  - david38 4y ago
    Is it really? If you report a crime in a major western city more than likely the police won't file a report. Also "crime per capita" is a very gross and broad statement.

dunhuang_nomad 4y ago

High home prices are the leading cause of homelessness. Everything mentioned here are marginal at best, extremely counterproductive at worst. Lock up more people? What happens when they get out of jail, it's harder for them to find a job and a place to live. Where do they end up, back on the streets. Unless the solution is indefinite detention of people, I'm not sure how criminalization solves homelessness.

ricardobayes 4y ago

My hometown is as conservative as it gets, yet there are agressive panhandlers and homeless everywhere. Cities are not ruined by politics, or politicians, but by the people who live there. There is no 'greater force', or 'them' to blame.