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In other words: maybe using the same key for your wallet as for logging into random websites is not a good idea, and “web3” as an approach to identity has some

In other words: maybe using the same key for your wallet as for logging into random websites is not a good idea, and “web3” as an approach to identity has some real flaws that are being papered over. Certainly involving more crypto in the issue of logging in to things might be a net benefit, but there’s no reason it should come from blockchain instead of, say, the password manager and totp token software people are already getting used to using and that don’t expose you to financial damage. In the end though, people still need to get into their accounts when software is unavailable so it seems unlikely passwords are ever completely going away.

vmception 4y ago
every wallet has unlimited addresses, this is a user education issue alongside an implementation issue. if you feel there are some user interface and user experience things that can help, then the space is available for you to contribute to. thats what a lot of people are doing and it is very lucrative. What did you mean by this? > people still need to get into their accounts when software is unavailable so it seems unlikely passwords are ever completely going away. Using a password uses software?
- stormbrew 4y ago
  I don't really have any interest in solving a problem I don't think makes sense to solve? I fundamentally don't think "using your wallet to log in to your porn" is a good idea, and I don't think any amount of education is going to change that. There's just no reason this needs to be solved with blockchain. It doesn't add anything useful except that a bunch of people suddenly have private keys but don't know what they even really are. Like I said, I think password managers and totp software are just inherently better positioned to 'solve' this (if it needs solving). Also, I've long since lost any interest in participating get rich quick schemes built on fads, so "it's a lucrative space" isn't really the appeal you think it is. > What did you mean by this? Sometimes people lose their phones.
  - vmception 4y ago
    Like I said, it's a choice. Everything that has been built has been because people channel their cynicism into an improvement. This particular space is inherently built to incentivize that, and thats what has occurred over the last decade and is only accelerating now that the builders are capitalized well enough to hire more builders.
    - stormbrew 4y ago
      Your mistake is assuming that your pet cause is the thing people should be channeling their skepticism-driven effort into. You’re basically asking me to try to solve world hunger with car manufacturing. I can see the merit in solving the problem, and am perfectly happy to help contribute to solving it, but your chosen tool has literally nothing to recommend itself as a solution.
      - vmception 4y ago
        > Your mistake > Assuming > You’re basically asking I'm not assuming that. I'm not saying that. I'm not asking you to do anything so what mistake is possible? I'm not forcing you to drink, I'm not even leading you to the water. I said, in a very pragmatic way, that being just a cynic is a choice. The people that such cynics are criticizing are and were also cynics. The users on the other hand, go ahead and make fun of them, they don't know shit. The builders that led everything to the state it is were and are cynics. I'm only saying this is what people are doing and that's the choice they took, its available. So its not really as divisive as you think when its cynics all the way down. Find someone else to convince you why that choice is viable for you. Everyone knows your stance, I don't care about that axe you to have to grind, my role was what I said.
        stormbrew 4y ago
        My god. You say I have an axe to grind, but I suggest that maybe there are better tools for the thing under discussion and I'm a cynic, making fun of users, tearing down the builders. This is just ad hominem. You did indeed ask me to expend effort, whether you see it that way or not. If you want to build great things, you might want to learn how to listen to criticism and not just assume that anyone who disagrees with you is being mean.

vmception 4y ago

every wallet has unlimited addresses, this is a user education issue alongside an implementation issue. if you feel there are some user interface and user experience things that can help, then the space is available for you to contribute to. thats what a lot of people are doing and it is very lucrative. What did you mean by this? > people still need to get into their accounts when software is unavailable so it seems unlikely passwords are ever completely going away. Using a password uses software?

stormbrew 4y ago
I don't really have any interest in solving a problem I don't think makes sense to solve? I fundamentally don't think "using your wallet to log in to your porn" is a good idea, and I don't think any amount of education is going to change that. There's just no reason this needs to be solved with blockchain. It doesn't add anything useful except that a bunch of people suddenly have private keys but don't know what they even really are. Like I said, I think password managers and totp software are just inherently better positioned to 'solve' this (if it needs solving). Also, I've long since lost any interest in participating get rich quick schemes built on fads, so "it's a lucrative space" isn't really the appeal you think it is. > What did you mean by this? Sometimes people lose their phones.
- vmception 4y ago
  Like I said, it's a choice. Everything that has been built has been because people channel their cynicism into an improvement. This particular space is inherently built to incentivize that, and thats what has occurred over the last decade and is only accelerating now that the builders are capitalized well enough to hire more builders.
  - stormbrew 4y ago
    Your mistake is assuming that your pet cause is the thing people should be channeling their skepticism-driven effort into. You’re basically asking me to try to solve world hunger with car manufacturing. I can see the merit in solving the problem, and am perfectly happy to help contribute to solving it, but your chosen tool has literally nothing to recommend itself as a solution.
    - vmception 4y ago
      > Your mistake > Assuming > You’re basically asking I'm not assuming that. I'm not saying that. I'm not asking you to do anything so what mistake is possible? I'm not forcing you to drink, I'm not even leading you to the water. I said, in a very pragmatic way, that being just a cynic is a choice. The people that such cynics are criticizing are and were also cynics. The users on the other hand, go ahead and make fun of them, they don't know shit. The builders that led everything to the state it is were and are cynics. I'm only saying this is what people are doing and that's the choice they took, its available. So its not really as divisive as you think when its cynics all the way down. Find someone else to convince you why that choice is viable for you. Everyone knows your stance, I don't care about that axe you to have to grind, my role was what I said.
      - stormbrew 4y ago
        My god. You say I have an axe to grind, but I suggest that maybe there are better tools for the thing under discussion and I'm a cynic, making fun of users, tearing down the builders. This is just ad hominem. You did indeed ask me to expend effort, whether you see it that way or not. If you want to build great things, you might want to learn how to listen to criticism and not just assume that anyone who disagrees with you is being mean.