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Tesla Model 3 owner catches guys replacing car parts after renting it on Turo
- mechanical_bear 4y agoGiven all the information, it does sound like they were test fitting aftermarket parts.
- sharadov 4y agoHow the hell do you do that without the owner's permission? And which owner will let that fly? Bastards need to be arrested and sued.
- rdtwo 4y agoFor what? Breach of turo agreement? No damage to award
- tannedNerd 4y agoIt’s very likely the warranty is voided and there is diminished value to the car now. He could easily push a destruction of property/vandalism charge.
- bandyaboot 4y agoI don’t believe it would be legal in CA for a car manufacturer to offer a warranty that is voided by something like temporarily removing a part.
- jbluepolarbear 4y agoYou can modify your car anyway you want and it won’t void the warranty for unaffected parts, but the bumper warranty would be void and that’s like $2000 from the quote a colleague got from Tesla for a replacement bumper and paint.
- mechanical_bear 4y agoThe Magnusson-Moss act prevents arbitrary voiding of warranties.
- kirykl 4y agoYes, monetary damages for breach of contract, which likely doesn’t cover disassembly and any vehicle damage no matter how small that may result. Plus Compensatory damages for having to pay a Tesla shop to certify it was put back together correctly. As well punitive damages for fraud by the renter
- dntrkv 4y agoIt's definitely not ok to do, but why would you arrest and sue them? What possible benefit would that provide to the owner, or society?
- tannedNerd 4y agoRestitution to the owner for a potentially voided warranty and bricked car?
- dntrkv 4y agoHe removed the bumper. That doesn’t void warranty nor can it brick the car.
- prepend 4y agoIt would make them less likely to do this again. It’s the same benefit of arresting people who smash a window or spray paint a car.
- dntrkv 4y agoI dunno about you, but I got better things to do with my time than sue people for silly reasons. What the guy did is not right, but unless there was any damage it would be a waste of everyone’s time. Drop it off at a mechanic and have them inspect it, if all looks good, move on with your life. Otherwise, ask them to pay, if they refuse, then sue.
- prepend 4y ago> Drop it off at a mechanic and have them inspect it, if all looks good, move on with your life. This isn’t free. So I should pay a mechanic to inspect because of their action? If I steal your car for a day and bring it back, is that ok with you? Do you have better things to do than file a police report? Note, I don’t think the owner needs to sue them. He just needs to have the police charge them with the crime they committed.
- brailsafe 4y agoIt's a bit underhanded, but your comment is wildly overblown. > Bastards need to be arrested and sued. If you're serious, this is something I can't imagine someone jumping to in many places outside of the U.S. Even if there was evidence to support damage being done or parts being stolen, neither action would be rational
- BizarroLand 4y agoI assume aftermarket parts could decrease the value of the vehicle, so it would come down to what the fair market value of a Tesla that has been used as a rental car that has only OEM parts is compared to a Tesla that is similar in all other regards but has known non-oem parts installed by people of uncertain technical skill. I would be surprised it if was more than a few hundred dollars of damages if there were any damages at all.
- prepend 4y agoThey vandalized a vehicle. That’s a crime.
- bandyaboot 4y agoI don’t mean to defend what this body shop was doing, but I fail to see how this could be considered vandalism absent intentional damage being done.
- tyingq 4y agoBody parts aren't really made to be flawlessly removed and replaced. There's probably several flaws after that happens, worn plastic connectors and holes, imperfect seams, wiring routed through panels slightly wrong, new scuffs/scratches, etc.
- prepend 4y agoThey intentionally removed parts of his car. Seems pretty vandalizing. And they claimed they were going to replace them. If you came home and someone had removed the tires off your car, would you consider that vandalism? What if they said they were just testing out some other tires and would replace them?
- aneil 4y agoAll what information?
- rdtwo 4y agoSounds like a civil matter and it would be hard to prove damages
- prepend 4y agoI would think that removing parts from a car is vandalism and thus criminal. Also the cost of having a separate shop put everything back and verify is in the thousands so likely would hit felony. A friend had his bumper replaced and it was $10k on his Model3.
- mr_toad 4y ago‘Interfering with a motor vehicle’. This includes theft of parts. I doubt that putting it back would be a good defence any more than if you ‘borrowed’ the entire car.
- fy20 4y agoI'd be most concerned about whether this has affected anything with Tesla's warranty. Say a few years down the line you have an issue with the paint, you take it to them to repair, and they say "oh we see you had the bumper repaired by a third party, our warranty won't cover that".
- MerelyMortal 4y ago> However, even if they were just testing, it was ethically, morally, and legally wrong to do so without the consent of the vehicle owner. Aren't ethics and morals the same thing here? Also, I wonder what law was being broken, or if the author just thinks it should be illegal. (FWIW, I do agree that it's not cool to take apart someone else's car without their consent.)
- netsharc 4y agoHeh, this line is probably why people who went to journalism school sneer at bloggers. Although some journalists aren't any better either. I'm really bored so I went through the Turo terms of service[1]. It seems they violated this term: > When you book a vehicle on the Services, you must use the vehicle only for your personal use and not for any commercial purposes (e.g. driving other passengers for a fee such as through Uber or Lyft or delivering food or other packages) unless you have express written permission from the Turo Legal Department in advance or as otherwise described here. Also in the prohibited uses list[2] (although they seem to have messed up their list indenting at that point): > - Prohibited vehicle uses and activities include: > [...] > - Making any unapproved alterations, additions, or improvements to any vehicle [1] https://turo.com/us/en/policies/terms https://turo.com/us/en/policies/terms [2] https://help.turo.com/en_us/prohibited-uses-Hyi0E4l49 https://help.turo.com/en_us/prohibited-uses-Hyi0E4l49
- MerelyMortal 4y agoToS is not a law.
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- ricardobeat 4y agoHow can a shop that sells aftermarket parts for Tesla’s not have a Tesla of their own to test them on? Seems sketchy.
- hajile 4y agoGetting every model combination would require a ton of capital. Renting one to test for a day costs only a couple hundred.
- ricardobeat 4y agoIm pretty sure there is only one Model 3 body. If they are testing the parts to the point where they would risk dismantling a rented car, I assume these are some form of custom development - if they were just reselling they could trust the manufacturer that everything is to spec, and deal with any issues as they appear during installs?
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- NoPicklez 4y agoHow is this different from any other automobile repair servicer? If they service all makes and models, they wouldn't have every make and model nearby to test. That doesn't mean they borrow other people's cars to test the parts.
- aneil 4y agoSome reddit users said this is normal? Ok!
- sanguy 4y agoWonder what the Turo terms of use say over such things....