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>Q: What does this mean for my New Relic bill? A: Collecting application logs means that more data will be ingested into the platform, at your standard ingest r

>Q: What does this mean for my New Relic bill? A: Collecting application logs means that more data will be ingested into the platform, at your standard ingest rate. The APM agent samples logs to ensure optimal agent performance. You can increase or decrease an application’s log volume as desired. Learn more here. Automatic, opt-out bill increases come 5/3?

postpawl 4y ago
They did something similar with distributed tracing. Seems like dirty business tactics are becoming the trend at newrelic.
msla 4y ago
"We're going to start charging you to grab up your PII unless you explicitly tell us to stop. YOU'RE WELCOME!" sounds like it ought to be illegal somewhere the New Relic developers have to worry about the laws of. I wonder what they'd do if someone rigged their install to feed their servers junk information. Is that possible? I honestly don't know how the New Relic stuff works.
- nickstinemates 4y ago
  You can feed their servers as much arbitrary shit as you want - you'll just end up paying for it.
- jacquesm 4y ago
  It is illegal. The question is who will be liable, NR or the customer, at first glance it probably will be the customer even though NR is the one causing the violation. Regardless, this kind of move should be punished by customers cancelling en masse.
- autoexec 4y ago
  > I wonder what they'd do if someone rigged their install to feed their servers junk information. Is that possible? I'd like to think folks would be willing to pay to do it, but unless a large number of people do they probably wouldn't care. Companies who are collecting data for profit don't really care how accurate any of it is. As long as it looks real enough they can still sell it to data brokers (oh sorry, I mean the "third-party service providers that support our business and operations"). If it doesn't look real enough it's probably easy to filter out.
rootusrootus 4y ago
Ah, so that's how they're paying for the huge number of jobs they seem to be trying to fill all the time. Some days my entire job feed is just New Relic.
- wincy 4y ago
  Curious where do you look for jobs? I’m in the mortgage industry and might be a good time to start looking.
  - rootusrootus 4y ago
    I have a running LinkedIn search for 'principal software engineer' and 'software engineer' in Portland that has been going for a while. I'm not really looking right now, but I like to see what the trends look like.
    - ge96 4y ago
      Curious what does that mean? "running" it's automated/bought or you just search time to time?
      - grumple 4y ago
        If you do a job search in linkedin, there's an option at the top left to set an alert.
      - rootusrootus 4y ago
        Yep, it's automated. LinkedIn has the concept of saved searches, and these are mine. It sends me an email every day or so with a list of matching jobs in the local area.
  - lelandfe 4y ago
    I just landed a job after 8 months of applications. Oof. The usefulness probably varies city to city, but for NY tech jobs I got the most mileage out of Built In[1]. Being able to filter with a checkbox for "frontend jobs" was nice. I was also a daily user of Indeed (awful) and LinkedIn (saturated with bad jobs – but their alerts are lovely!). All three of these sites have a large amount of "promoted" jobs that show up. I'd recommend filtering them out with a script or user style. I wasn't looking for a start up role, but have heard good things about AngelList[2] for those that are. [1] https://builtin.com/tech-hubs https://builtin.com/tech-hubs [2] https://angel.co/ https://angel.co/
rhacker 4y ago
How else are they going to handle the inflation?

postpawl 4y ago

They did something similar with distributed tracing. Seems like dirty business tactics are becoming the trend at newrelic.

msla 4y ago

"We're going to start charging you to grab up your PII unless you explicitly tell us to stop. YOU'RE WELCOME!" sounds like it ought to be illegal somewhere the New Relic developers have to worry about the laws of. I wonder what they'd do if someone rigged their install to feed their servers junk information. Is that possible? I honestly don't know how the New Relic stuff works.

nickstinemates 4y ago
You can feed their servers as much arbitrary shit as you want - you'll just end up paying for it.
jacquesm 4y ago
It is illegal. The question is who will be liable, NR or the customer, at first glance it probably will be the customer even though NR is the one causing the violation. Regardless, this kind of move should be punished by customers cancelling en masse.
autoexec 4y ago
> I wonder what they'd do if someone rigged their install to feed their servers junk information. Is that possible? I'd like to think folks would be willing to pay to do it, but unless a large number of people do they probably wouldn't care. Companies who are collecting data for profit don't really care how accurate any of it is. As long as it looks real enough they can still sell it to data brokers (oh sorry, I mean the "third-party service providers that support our business and operations"). If it doesn't look real enough it's probably easy to filter out.

rootusrootus 4y ago

Ah, so that's how they're paying for the huge number of jobs they seem to be trying to fill all the time. Some days my entire job feed is just New Relic.

wincy 4y ago
Curious where do you look for jobs? I’m in the mortgage industry and might be a good time to start looking.
- rootusrootus 4y ago
  I have a running LinkedIn search for 'principal software engineer' and 'software engineer' in Portland that has been going for a while. I'm not really looking right now, but I like to see what the trends look like.
  - ge96 4y ago
    Curious what does that mean? "running" it's automated/bought or you just search time to time?
    - grumple 4y ago
      If you do a job search in linkedin, there's an option at the top left to set an alert.
    - rootusrootus 4y ago
      Yep, it's automated. LinkedIn has the concept of saved searches, and these are mine. It sends me an email every day or so with a list of matching jobs in the local area.
- lelandfe 4y ago
  I just landed a job after 8 months of applications. Oof. The usefulness probably varies city to city, but for NY tech jobs I got the most mileage out of Built In[1]. Being able to filter with a checkbox for "frontend jobs" was nice. I was also a daily user of Indeed (awful) and LinkedIn (saturated with bad jobs – but their alerts are lovely!). All three of these sites have a large amount of "promoted" jobs that show up. I'd recommend filtering them out with a script or user style. I wasn't looking for a start up role, but have heard good things about AngelList[2] for those that are. [1] https://builtin.com/tech-hubs https://builtin.com/tech-hubs [2] https://angel.co/ https://angel.co/

rhacker 4y ago

How else are they going to handle the inflation?