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He may have some points, but none of them are relevant for me, personally. I don't use the dock (IMHO it's a monstrosity even in OSX), I don't care about deskto

by mtts 15y ago

He may have some points, but none of them are relevant for me, personally. I don't use the dock (IMHO it's a monstrosity even in OSX), I don't care about desktop wallpapers and I also don't belong in the camp of users that think focus follows mouse is a good idea. I also doubt that any of his concerns are relevant to non-power users, who seem to be the demographic that Ubuntu tries to target.

bluedanieru 15y ago
There are no non-power users of Ubuntu or any Linux distro targeted at the desktop. None. Maybe that will change someday; however I think the idea should be to get people proficient with their PCs to the point that they demand more from their OS rather than just giving them any old POS that's easy to use and can't do shit, we already have Windows for that. I don't think Unity is a step in that direction. If they target "non-power Linux users", a mythical creature indeed, at the expense of power users (i.e. everyone who uses the fucking thing atm) they are more than shooting themselves in the foot, they are blowing their damn brains out. It remains to be seen what happens with Unity though, some people do like it.
- Wilya 15y ago
  Hu ? By my count, there are quite a lot of people who have low interest in maintaining a computer and want things to just work on Ubuntu (far less so on other distributions). People who had to use linux for a school project, people who just stumbled on an evangelist at some point, and blindly obeyed the "Install linux, it's better, you will see !!" stuff. Or just people who were a little bit curious. I see plenty of people around me that don't know (and have low interest in learning) how to do much more than fire up firefox, and who still run Ubuntu. If these are power users, then I'm a sysadmin god.
  - hollerith 15y ago
    >People who had to use linux for a school project, people who just stumbled on an evangelist at some point, and blindly obeyed the "Install linux, it's better, you will see !!" stuff. Or just people who were a little bit curious. Also, wives and aged parents of Linux techies.
    - sandGorgon 15y ago
      yup - and both of mine hate unity as compared to Ubuntu 10.10.
DanBC 15y ago
> * but none of them are relevant for me, personally * That's fine. People are saying (I think) that sane defaults and good design choices are important. Where the problem comes is that there's no need to exclude power users. You just hide all the stuff in a text config file. That makes a lot of sense because these are the people who tend to review and blog about the product, and if they're giving good reviews and raving about it you're going to ship more. There was an interesting comment about support: binary blobs leads to easier support because users can't mess it up too much. The answer to that is a big "restore to default" button that backs-up the config and then resets everything.

by mtts 15y ago

bluedanieru 15y ago

There are no non-power users of Ubuntu or any Linux distro targeted at the desktop. None. Maybe that will change someday; however I think the idea should be to get people proficient with their PCs to the point that they demand more from their OS rather than just giving them any old POS that's easy to use and can't do shit, we already have Windows for that. I don't think Unity is a step in that direction. If they target "non-power Linux users", a mythical creature indeed, at the expense of power users (i.e. everyone who uses the fucking thing atm) they are more than shooting themselves in the foot, they are blowing their damn brains out. It remains to be seen what happens with Unity though, some people do like it.

Wilya 15y ago
Hu ? By my count, there are quite a lot of people who have low interest in maintaining a computer and want things to just work on Ubuntu (far less so on other distributions). People who had to use linux for a school project, people who just stumbled on an evangelist at some point, and blindly obeyed the "Install linux, it's better, you will see !!" stuff. Or just people who were a little bit curious. I see plenty of people around me that don't know (and have low interest in learning) how to do much more than fire up firefox, and who still run Ubuntu. If these are power users, then I'm a sysadmin god.
- hollerith 15y ago
  >People who had to use linux for a school project, people who just stumbled on an evangelist at some point, and blindly obeyed the "Install linux, it's better, you will see !!" stuff. Or just people who were a little bit curious. Also, wives and aged parents of Linux techies.
  - sandGorgon 15y ago
    yup - and both of mine hate unity as compared to Ubuntu 10.10.

DanBC 15y ago

> * but none of them are relevant for me, personally * That's fine. People are saying (I think) that sane defaults and good design choices are important. Where the problem comes is that there's no need to exclude power users. You just hide all the stuff in a text config file. That makes a lot of sense because these are the people who tend to review and blog about the product, and if they're giving good reviews and raving about it you're going to ship more. There was an interesting comment about support: binary blobs leads to easier support because users can't mess it up too much. The answer to that is a big "restore to default" button that backs-up the config and then resets everything.