4 ms·

One modus operandi of such companies is to amass a lot of patentable ideas as trade secrets, which subsequently can be rolled out as sequential patents. This e

One modus operandi of such companies is to amass a lot of patentable ideas as trade secrets, which subsequently can be rolled out as sequential patents. This effectively extends their monopoly on the products as a whole, despite patents expiring that protect the initial innovations. They can always roll something out sooner if a competitor might be approaching their IP moat.

resoluteteeth 5y ago
If the devices are being embedded in consumer products like eink screens, is it really possible to treat the technology as a trade secret?
- lostcolony 5y ago
  They only go out in devices after they've been patented. Think of 3 years of research. Rather than it leading to three years of progressively better consumer devices, you instead patent the first idea and use it to go to market, then sit on the rest. After X amount of time (where X < 20 years), you patent the next winning idea, and go to market with it. Etc. This presents a challenge to would be competitors; to go to market, you have to leapfrog the existing technology and patent (with as broad a language as patents tend to have), hope the incumbent doesn't have something that would immediately deprecate your product (or at least, relies itself on something you patented along the way), and then overcome the incumbent's existing advantage in in the market. And also be prepared for a legal fight, since almost assuredly one of you is going to accuse the other of infringing a patent.
nicd 5y ago
One of my friends works on an e-ink product. My understanding is that one of the major trade secrets are the e-ink waveforms (the sequence of voltages used to print and erase content on the display). They are shared under NDA and baked into product firmware. Apparently the open-source versions are significantly worse.
- mdp2021 5y ago
  > the open-source versions are significantly worse That can be overcome, especially with sustained collaborative effort. But the production of the displays, controller software aside, will not be "cheap".
  - ratmice 5y ago
    Hearsay, but I've read in the past that these were tailored specifically to the display, so difficult to actually collaborate since each display is a little different.
- userbinator 5y ago
  Apparently the open-source versions are significantly worse. Or perhaps that's just what they want you to think... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16140284 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16140284

resoluteteeth 5y ago

If the devices are being embedded in consumer products like eink screens, is it really possible to treat the technology as a trade secret?

lostcolony 5y ago
They only go out in devices after they've been patented. Think of 3 years of research. Rather than it leading to three years of progressively better consumer devices, you instead patent the first idea and use it to go to market, then sit on the rest. After X amount of time (where X < 20 years), you patent the next winning idea, and go to market with it. Etc. This presents a challenge to would be competitors; to go to market, you have to leapfrog the existing technology and patent (with as broad a language as patents tend to have), hope the incumbent doesn't have something that would immediately deprecate your product (or at least, relies itself on something you patented along the way), and then overcome the incumbent's existing advantage in in the market. And also be prepared for a legal fight, since almost assuredly one of you is going to accuse the other of infringing a patent.

nicd 5y ago

One of my friends works on an e-ink product. My understanding is that one of the major trade secrets are the e-ink waveforms (the sequence of voltages used to print and erase content on the display). They are shared under NDA and baked into product firmware. Apparently the open-source versions are significantly worse.

mdp2021 5y ago
> the open-source versions are significantly worse That can be overcome, especially with sustained collaborative effort. But the production of the displays, controller software aside, will not be "cheap".
- ratmice 5y ago
  Hearsay, but I've read in the past that these were tailored specifically to the display, so difficult to actually collaborate since each display is a little different.
userbinator 5y ago
Apparently the open-source versions are significantly worse. Or perhaps that's just what they want you to think... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16140284 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16140284