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Can we hold the rushed and botched safety trials that “prove” that the vaccine is safe and effective to the same standards as this article is being held to?

fabian2k 4y ago
The trials were not botched, and we have an absolutely enormous amount of information about the safety of the vaccines now from many different studies.
- throttledagain2 4y ago
- bananabiscuit 4y ago
  The control group was lost: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/02/19/969143015/long-term-studies-of-covid-19-vaccines-hurt-by-placebo-recipients-getting-immuni https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/02/19/9691430... There is also no proof that the mRNA vaccines are safe for pregnancy. Look at what the CDC website has to say about the topic: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/planning-for-pregnancy.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/planning-... They have studies that fertility is not effected in the short term, but that is it. Nothing about how the pregnancies actually progressed. Basically their evidence they have for the vaccines safety for pregnancy is lack of evidence of harm (which is not even true as there are studies that indicate the mRNA might be harmful in this regard). This is completely backwards. They should be on the hook for proving safety, not the other way around. I personally cannot trust the safety data of the mRNA vaccines. I anecdotally know a handful of people that have suffered harm after vaccination. This on it's own means nothing, but the part that bothers me is that all their doctors don't want to entertain the idea that their problems were caused by the vaccine, because the vaccine is "safe and effective". None of their issues were even entered into VAERS. This is completely backwards.
- yucky 4y ago
  >The trials were not botched They intentionally nuked the control groups. How do you properly do a trial without a control group?
mikeyouse 4y ago
Yeah, we actually do that. Here's the Phase III trial for Pfizer's vaccine where they did a RCT of 43,000 people. They published their efficacy and safety end points (as well as criteria for stopping the trial if they found safety issues) before enrollment and show the results as well. They're following the same patients for two years to assess long-term safety as well: https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577?articleTools=true https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577?articleTo...

fabian2k 4y ago

The trials were not botched, and we have an absolutely enormous amount of information about the safety of the vaccines now from many different studies.

throttledagain2 4y ago
bananabiscuit 4y ago
The control group was lost: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/02/19/969143015/long-term-studies-of-covid-19-vaccines-hurt-by-placebo-recipients-getting-immuni https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/02/19/9691430... There is also no proof that the mRNA vaccines are safe for pregnancy. Look at what the CDC website has to say about the topic: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/planning-for-pregnancy.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/planning-... They have studies that fertility is not effected in the short term, but that is it. Nothing about how the pregnancies actually progressed. Basically their evidence they have for the vaccines safety for pregnancy is lack of evidence of harm (which is not even true as there are studies that indicate the mRNA might be harmful in this regard). This is completely backwards. They should be on the hook for proving safety, not the other way around. I personally cannot trust the safety data of the mRNA vaccines. I anecdotally know a handful of people that have suffered harm after vaccination. This on it's own means nothing, but the part that bothers me is that all their doctors don't want to entertain the idea that their problems were caused by the vaccine, because the vaccine is "safe and effective". None of their issues were even entered into VAERS. This is completely backwards.
yucky 4y ago
>The trials were not botched They intentionally nuked the control groups. How do you properly do a trial without a control group?

mikeyouse 4y ago

Yeah, we actually do that. Here's the Phase III trial for Pfizer's vaccine where they did a RCT of 43,000 people. They published their efficacy and safety end points (as well as criteria for stopping the trial if they found safety issues) before enrollment and show the results as well. They're following the same patients for two years to assess long-term safety as well: https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577?articleTools=true https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577?articleTo...