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>Is this a difference between European jobs and American jobs? I can name examples of both cases for Europe, I'm sure a few American devs can name examples of
by BlargMcLarg 5y ago
>Is this a difference between European jobs and American jobs?
I can name examples of both cases for Europe, I'm sure a few American devs can name examples of both cases in the US.
From what I can tell about where I live, the moment you try to move to mid level or higher, you're expected to know "it" already. It also isn't just vertical or horizontal skill progression. Its both, at equal rates. More skills, and each skill is expected to have 2-3 YoE. From a risk management position, most of those skills are not something you want juniors to work with in their first or even their second year. Most juniors would progress skill A for a few years, then start progressing skill B adjacent to A. So A would be at 5 years, B be at 3 years. Expecting "A 3 years, B 3 years" would be moot at that point, since the far majority with B at 3 years would be at 5 years in A.
Above is even worse when jobs are now expecting you to know skill C, but no one is really working with C yet. Now you need to have 3 years of experience in C, but realistically, no junior is going to be learning C on company time. More likely a few seniors will learn C and maybe distribute knowledge by the time the market is asking for 3 years of experience in D.
As said in a comment somewhere adjacent, the junior market is so saturated, many employers can make pretty insane demands. Good learning opportunities are combined with below-market pay where market pay already is a problem to afford a decent place. Good pay jobs basically expecting you to sell your soul. Or a company which seems great as a junior but then provides next to no opportunities to move up along with the associated pay increases (often only the former). The whole "do your dues" wouldn't be so bad if a comfortable income was guaranteed at a relatively low stress factor, but that's starting to be put into question due to socio-economical reasons.