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Oh yeah, remember the civil war of 1982? When inflation was 14% and The Fed raised rates to purposefully start a recession? Give me a break, we’ve been through

by dntrkv 4y ago

Oh yeah, remember the civil war of 1982? When inflation was 14% and The Fed raised rates to purposefully start a recession? Give me a break, we’ve been through much worse. Let’s stop with the FUD please.

usrn 4y ago
People got along a lot better with their neighbors in the 80s than they do now.
- dntrkv 4y ago
  I think you’re confusing people’s online rhetoric with their IRL interactions. If there was no civil war after 2008, there sure as hell won’t be one this time when people are doing better by most metrics. American’s financial situations are actually quite good right now. Everybody is just anxious as fuck, for many reasons.
  - usrn 4y ago
    An odd thing to say after people spent the last couple summers burning things down
    - dntrkv 4y ago
      Again, that’s not the first time that’s happened. We’ve had worse and it didn’t lead to civil war. Think about what a civil war would entail. It is literally war between neighbors. You really think Americans are ready to kill each other en masse and give up everything they have, for what? It’s easy to make proclamations about some abstract idea of “civil war” but the reality is that most Americans are doing relatively well and would not stake their lives on something that doesn’t even promise a better outcome.
    - AYBABTME 4y ago
      I walk and drive around and don't see much burning.
      - germinalphrase 4y ago
        Listen to my family living elsewhere and you’d think my neighborhood in Minneapolis is still burning.
    - guggleet 4y ago
      Things were fine in my locality, and in the vast majority of localities across the country.
    - JohnWhigham 4y ago
      I recommend you stop watching CNN and thinking that's the entire country
  - cloutchaser 4y ago
    I think the actions taken in 2008 delayed the effects until... now. All the insane stuff that's happening and will happen is the hangover of not having a depression in 2008 and delaying it by printing money and propping up banks. But you can't delay the inevitable.
  - danaris 4y ago
    Um...that sounds like the words of someone in a bubble. People are not doing that well right now, and there's a lot of anger between the people who are doing the worst, and the people who are doing fine and saying "America's financial situations are actually quite good right now."
    - dntrkv 4y ago
      I am an immigrant and have a large family within a community that would be classified as "lower-income" and I'm pretty in-tune with their perspective. I support my family financially now, and I will be supporting my parents in their retirement. I grew up poor and I understand the anxiety and stress that comes with it. I just recently spoke with my grandmother who is on a fixed income and is having trouble paying for basic necessities because of the recent inflation. I'm not blind to these struggles. I'm not saying everybody is doing great. I'm saying that if you look at the stats of average American's personal finances, they are in pretty good shape. That doesn't mean there isn't a decent chunk of the population that is struggling. That doesn't mean there isn't a housing crisis across the country. That doesn't mean inflation isn't hitting these lower-income groups harder. These issues are very real and are a major part of what is making everyone anxious. But in the context of the conversation, people are not getting ready to war with each other.
incomingpain 4y ago
>Oh yeah, remember the civil war of 1982? When inflation was 14% and The Fed raised rates to purposefully start a recession? High inflation and raising rates going into a recession is not going to trigger a civil war or even really unrest in any major way. >Give me a break, we’ve been through much worse. Let’s stop with the FUD please. political polarization in the usa has never been so bad except for ...
- dntrkv 4y ago
  And? Do you think Americans are willing to give up everything they have and start warring with each other? Because a civil war will mean exactly that. You think inflation is bad, civil war would crater the economy like no modern-American has ever experienced. Americans don’t even want to give up their private healthcare, and y’all talking about civil war.
  - incomingpain 4y ago
    >And? Do you think Americans are willing to give up everything they have and start warring with each other? Because a civil war will mean exactly that. You think inflation is bad, civil war would crater the economy like no modern-American has ever experienced. I dont see civil war as an inevitability. Civil unrest seems inevitable. Then again not exactly much of a prediction there given ongoing civil unrest. Also I don't believe civil war is rational as you project it to be. Imagine republicans take over in midterms. Speaker of the house becomes Trump. They then impeach and remove biden and harris making Trump president again. What happens? Imagine democrats clean sweep the election and they were boarding up windows again. Blue wave... what happens?
    - dntrkv 4y ago
      > They then impeach and remove biden and harris making Trump president again. What happens? The GOP needs a 2/3 senate-majority to remove Biden, which won't happen. Best they can do is impeach, but not remove. What happens in these cases? More of the same bullshit. Yes, there will probably be some form of civil unrest. But not war. I agree with you that civil war isn't rational, but it does require enough people being onboard with it. I think when push comes to shove, most people realize that they want nothing to do with it. Just like the riots and protests we saw, most people dip out when shit hits the fan. The people that stay are the extremists. My personal opinion is that what we are seeing is the extremists of both parties. The vast majority of people might have leanings one way or another, but they do not subscribe to most of the ideas pushed by the extreme ends of their parties. They are mostly just tired of the bickering and ineffectiveness of our government.

by dntrkv 4y ago

usrn 4y ago

People got along a lot better with their neighbors in the 80s than they do now.

dntrkv 4y ago
I think you’re confusing people’s online rhetoric with their IRL interactions. If there was no civil war after 2008, there sure as hell won’t be one this time when people are doing better by most metrics. American’s financial situations are actually quite good right now. Everybody is just anxious as fuck, for many reasons.
- usrn 4y ago
  An odd thing to say after people spent the last couple summers burning things down
  - dntrkv 4y ago
    Again, that’s not the first time that’s happened. We’ve had worse and it didn’t lead to civil war. Think about what a civil war would entail. It is literally war between neighbors. You really think Americans are ready to kill each other en masse and give up everything they have, for what? It’s easy to make proclamations about some abstract idea of “civil war” but the reality is that most Americans are doing relatively well and would not stake their lives on something that doesn’t even promise a better outcome.
  - AYBABTME 4y ago
    I walk and drive around and don't see much burning.
    - germinalphrase 4y ago
      Listen to my family living elsewhere and you’d think my neighborhood in Minneapolis is still burning.
  - guggleet 4y ago
    Things were fine in my locality, and in the vast majority of localities across the country.
  - JohnWhigham 4y ago
    I recommend you stop watching CNN and thinking that's the entire country
- cloutchaser 4y ago
  I think the actions taken in 2008 delayed the effects until... now. All the insane stuff that's happening and will happen is the hangover of not having a depression in 2008 and delaying it by printing money and propping up banks. But you can't delay the inevitable.
- danaris 4y ago
  Um...that sounds like the words of someone in a bubble. People are not doing that well right now, and there's a lot of anger between the people who are doing the worst, and the people who are doing fine and saying "America's financial situations are actually quite good right now."
  - dntrkv 4y ago
    I am an immigrant and have a large family within a community that would be classified as "lower-income" and I'm pretty in-tune with their perspective. I support my family financially now, and I will be supporting my parents in their retirement. I grew up poor and I understand the anxiety and stress that comes with it. I just recently spoke with my grandmother who is on a fixed income and is having trouble paying for basic necessities because of the recent inflation. I'm not blind to these struggles. I'm not saying everybody is doing great. I'm saying that if you look at the stats of average American's personal finances, they are in pretty good shape. That doesn't mean there isn't a decent chunk of the population that is struggling. That doesn't mean there isn't a housing crisis across the country. That doesn't mean inflation isn't hitting these lower-income groups harder. These issues are very real and are a major part of what is making everyone anxious. But in the context of the conversation, people are not getting ready to war with each other.

incomingpain 4y ago

>Oh yeah, remember the civil war of 1982? When inflation was 14% and The Fed raised rates to purposefully start a recession? High inflation and raising rates going into a recession is not going to trigger a civil war or even really unrest in any major way. >Give me a break, we’ve been through much worse. Let’s stop with the FUD please. political polarization in the usa has never been so bad except for ...

dntrkv 4y ago
And? Do you think Americans are willing to give up everything they have and start warring with each other? Because a civil war will mean exactly that. You think inflation is bad, civil war would crater the economy like no modern-American has ever experienced. Americans don’t even want to give up their private healthcare, and y’all talking about civil war.
- incomingpain 4y ago
  >And? Do you think Americans are willing to give up everything they have and start warring with each other? Because a civil war will mean exactly that. You think inflation is bad, civil war would crater the economy like no modern-American has ever experienced. I dont see civil war as an inevitability. Civil unrest seems inevitable. Then again not exactly much of a prediction there given ongoing civil unrest. Also I don't believe civil war is rational as you project it to be. Imagine republicans take over in midterms. Speaker of the house becomes Trump. They then impeach and remove biden and harris making Trump president again. What happens? Imagine democrats clean sweep the election and they were boarding up windows again. Blue wave... what happens?
  - dntrkv 4y ago
    > They then impeach and remove biden and harris making Trump president again. What happens? The GOP needs a 2/3 senate-majority to remove Biden, which won't happen. Best they can do is impeach, but not remove. What happens in these cases? More of the same bullshit. Yes, there will probably be some form of civil unrest. But not war. I agree with you that civil war isn't rational, but it does require enough people being onboard with it. I think when push comes to shove, most people realize that they want nothing to do with it. Just like the riots and protests we saw, most people dip out when shit hits the fan. The people that stay are the extremists. My personal opinion is that what we are seeing is the extremists of both parties. The vast majority of people might have leanings one way or another, but they do not subscribe to most of the ideas pushed by the extreme ends of their parties. They are mostly just tired of the bickering and ineffectiveness of our government.