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"Cracking down on Airbnb"... you say this as if Airbnb is a horrible thing or something LOL

by alexb_ 5y ago

Raed667 5y ago
Airbnb is a horrible thing if you (like me) live in a tourist city and making rent inaccessible to the local residents
- dominotw 5y ago
  why do you live there though. Can't you ask your employer to match the deficit.
  - throw8383833jj 5y ago
    employers could not care less about your housing problems because employers have greater bargaining power than workers. places like CA think they can control where people live by depriving people of housing but it's not true. people just become ever more desperate, paying more and more for shelter. It's employers who decide where people are. this is because we've created a world where people can't live without money. so he who controls wages, controls where people live.
broken8ball 5y ago
It’s my understanding that Airbnb is pretty bad when it comes to gentrification and driving city natives out of affordable housing.
woodruffw 5y ago
I don’t know about other places, but Airbnb has been a mixed bag for NYC: I’ve seen it used to keep housing stock off the market, to dodge the obligations associated with keeping a property livable, and to essentially run entire illegal hotel businesses without attracting regulatory (including safety) scrutiny.
- baisq 5y ago
  - plazmatic 5y ago
  - Balero 5y ago
    So it's ok if someone moves next to you, plays music all hours, leaves rubbish everywhere, and are generally annoying to live next to. And then the next week a whole new group of people move in forgetting any requests you made, but act the same way because they are specifically there for a fun weekend. Also this stops you getting to know your neighbors and form a community and friends that live around you. Any improvements you make to the local area and street have the owner uninterested or pushing back because they do not want to invest in the area.
- bobthepanda 5y ago
  Also, tourists are the absolute worst to have as neighbors. Warnings for noise complaints and rubbish don't really work if the person is just going to be gone by the time a third strike happens.
- raverbashing 5y ago
  AirBnb in NYC is also a fertile ground for scams
  - crate_barre 5y ago
    Explain. I thought finding a high rated host is enough?
    - raverbashing 5y ago
      https://www.vox.com/2019/11/14/20961972/airbnb-scam-how-to-stay-safe-reset-podcast https://www.vox.com/2019/11/14/20961972/airbnb-scam-how-to-s... Or just google it, there are plenty of examples
throwaway578309 5y ago
It is if you live next to a landlord that houses loud guests. Is this even a question?
justsomeguy123 5y ago
AirBNB, like Uber, lives on sucking externalities. They are the modern Oil that sometimes spill and kill some ecosystem, but because the ecosystem is far away nobody cares. Like a pimp, AirBNB is the helpfull middleman for the desperate or the sociopaths. So, yes, at it's core AirBNB is horrible.
raesene9 5y ago
AirBnB (and similar) has been really bad for the property market in the Scottish Highlands. Lots of people buying up scarce housing stock to use for holiday lets, means that locals who work in the area (where a lot of local employers can't pay stellar rates) can't afford to buy. Combine that with the fact that these areas are often in National Parks which have restrictions on new-builds and you'll inevitably reduce the amount of people actually living in the area.
jimbob45 5y ago
Think about a hypothetical city where 100% of the properties are AirBNBs. There will be no source of employees for any local businesses because there are no long-term residents. There is no vested interest to improve the city via taxes and volunteerism, because no one truly lives there. No one will move to that city because the property rates are so absurdly inflated thanks to AirBNB rates. It’s an absurd example but cities frequently see these effects when they let AirBNB and rental properties run wild.
- dominotw 5y ago
  this is basically all mountain towns now.
- itsmejerry 5y ago
  Other than perhaps zoning restrictions, how does this differ from traditional hotels/motels in extreme tourist areas, like Niagara Falls. If people don't want to live permanently in a city for whatever reason, of course the city will suffer.
  - jimbob45 5y ago
    Hotels/motels are dense enough that they don't take usable land away from residential housing while still allowing for short-term residents to enjoy the city. However, AirBNBs and rental houses suck away the usable land such that you begin to meaningfully remove potential long-term residents from the city. The flipside of this, of course, would be apartments/duplexes, which would add more long-term residents than single-family zoning would allow, even with the problem of AirBNB proliferation.
globalise83 5y ago
Mixed bag if you live next door to one. We had one guy wake us up early in the morning on a Sunday because he locked himself out. Another time we were gifted half a cooked spiced lamb from a Saudi Arabian family.

"Cracking down on Airbnb"... you say this as if Airbnb is a horrible thing or something LOL

by alexb_ 5y ago

"Cracking down on Airbnb"... you say this as if Airbnb is a horrible thing or something LOL

Raed667 5y ago

Airbnb is a horrible thing if you (like me) live in a tourist city and making rent inaccessible to the local residents

dominotw 5y ago
why do you live there though. Can't you ask your employer to match the deficit.
- throw8383833jj 5y ago
  employers could not care less about your housing problems because employers have greater bargaining power than workers. places like CA think they can control where people live by depriving people of housing but it's not true. people just become ever more desperate, paying more and more for shelter. It's employers who decide where people are. this is because we've created a world where people can't live without money. so he who controls wages, controls where people live.

broken8ball 5y ago

It’s my understanding that Airbnb is pretty bad when it comes to gentrification and driving city natives out of affordable housing.

woodruffw 5y ago

I don’t know about other places, but Airbnb has been a mixed bag for NYC: I’ve seen it used to keep housing stock off the market, to dodge the obligations associated with keeping a property livable, and to essentially run entire illegal hotel businesses without attracting regulatory (including safety) scrutiny.

baisq 5y ago
- plazmatic 5y ago
- Balero 5y ago
  So it's ok if someone moves next to you, plays music all hours, leaves rubbish everywhere, and are generally annoying to live next to. And then the next week a whole new group of people move in forgetting any requests you made, but act the same way because they are specifically there for a fun weekend. Also this stops you getting to know your neighbors and form a community and friends that live around you. Any improvements you make to the local area and street have the owner uninterested or pushing back because they do not want to invest in the area.
bobthepanda 5y ago
Also, tourists are the absolute worst to have as neighbors. Warnings for noise complaints and rubbish don't really work if the person is just going to be gone by the time a third strike happens.
raverbashing 5y ago
AirBnb in NYC is also a fertile ground for scams
- crate_barre 5y ago
  Explain. I thought finding a high rated host is enough?
  - raverbashing 5y ago
    https://www.vox.com/2019/11/14/20961972/airbnb-scam-how-to-stay-safe-reset-podcast https://www.vox.com/2019/11/14/20961972/airbnb-scam-how-to-s... Or just google it, there are plenty of examples

throwaway578309 5y ago

It is if you live next to a landlord that houses loud guests. Is this even a question?

justsomeguy123 5y ago

AirBNB, like Uber, lives on sucking externalities. They are the modern Oil that sometimes spill and kill some ecosystem, but because the ecosystem is far away nobody cares. Like a pimp, AirBNB is the helpfull middleman for the desperate or the sociopaths. So, yes, at it's core AirBNB is horrible.

raesene9 5y ago

AirBnB (and similar) has been really bad for the property market in the Scottish Highlands. Lots of people buying up scarce housing stock to use for holiday lets, means that locals who work in the area (where a lot of local employers can't pay stellar rates) can't afford to buy. Combine that with the fact that these areas are often in National Parks which have restrictions on new-builds and you'll inevitably reduce the amount of people actually living in the area.

jimbob45 5y ago

Think about a hypothetical city where 100% of the properties are AirBNBs. There will be no source of employees for any local businesses because there are no long-term residents. There is no vested interest to improve the city via taxes and volunteerism, because no one truly lives there. No one will move to that city because the property rates are so absurdly inflated thanks to AirBNB rates. It’s an absurd example but cities frequently see these effects when they let AirBNB and rental properties run wild.

dominotw 5y ago
this is basically all mountain towns now.
itsmejerry 5y ago
Other than perhaps zoning restrictions, how does this differ from traditional hotels/motels in extreme tourist areas, like Niagara Falls. If people don't want to live permanently in a city for whatever reason, of course the city will suffer.
- jimbob45 5y ago
  Hotels/motels are dense enough that they don't take usable land away from residential housing while still allowing for short-term residents to enjoy the city. However, AirBNBs and rental houses suck away the usable land such that you begin to meaningfully remove potential long-term residents from the city. The flipside of this, of course, would be apartments/duplexes, which would add more long-term residents than single-family zoning would allow, even with the problem of AirBNB proliferation.

globalise83 5y ago

Mixed bag if you live next door to one. We had one guy wake us up early in the morning on a Sunday because he locked himself out. Another time we were gifted half a cooked spiced lamb from a Saudi Arabian family.