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What a deceitful headline, the upper management knows about the flaws, they've been in spin control since 2012. There have been whistleblowers, and no correctiv

by than3 4y ago

What a deceitful headline, the upper management knows about the flaws, they've been in spin control since 2012. There have been whistleblowers, and no corrective action was taken. There was an Al-Jazeera report that was more substantial than any of the other mainstream US media on this, and it was damning and that was done a decade ago. No one has been held to account for the systematic failures that were largely introduced as a result of upper management and propagated due to failures in process with the FAA. I'd like to see a corruption probe, and mandatory cool-off periods for regulators seeking to jump from regulation to working in the industry.

gsibble 4y ago
The Netflix documentary Downfall talked a little about it as well. It's absolutely cost cutting measures and horrendous engineering and QA across all of Boeing.
- salawat 4y ago
  Sabotaged QA you mean. When you're getting hounded about polishing that apple because management wants crap out the door, that's a powerful message that not even some of the most insanely dedicated QA groups can fully defang.
scoot 4y ago
> There was an Al-Jazeera report that was more substantial than any of the other mainstream US media As the name might suggest, Al Jazeera isn't a US media company. And despite being Qatari state owned, has mostly retained its editorial independence. It reminds me of what the BBC used to represent. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera
- inferiorhuman 4y ago
  Al Jazeera English was (at least initially) mostly ex-BBC staff.
- rnk 4y ago
  I think the bbc is still pretty good, their ukraine coverage seems excellent (the brexit cast and ukraine-cast podcasts are my favs).
- fransje26 4y ago
  Nailed it on the head with "used to represent".. Sad end for the BBC..
chx 4y ago
It's astounding the Boeing board haven't fired the upper management wholesale to reinstate an engineer-led culture instead of this horrid beancounter brigade. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/1997-merger-paved-way-boeing-090042193.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/1997-merger-paved-way-boeing-...
- MattGaiser 4y ago
  Boeing's board has just three people with degrees in engineering. They are outnumbered by accountants. Only two worked as engineers (the other is a pilot/Air Force) and only one of the two working engineers is from aviation. https://www.boeing.com/company/general-info/corporate-governance.page https://www.boeing.com/company/general-info/corporate-govern...
fransje26 4y ago
Absolutely agree.. And I don't think they needed to look very far to find flaws in that plane.. I probably shouldn't have been certified to start with. It's maybe not as bad as the MAX, but it ain't great either. Apparently they've made changes to the lightning strike protection systems in the wings, to decrease costs. And it's for the worse. Like removing insulation for lightning diffusers going straight through the fuel tanks. And let's not talk about the li-ion batteries..

by than3 4y ago

gsibble 4y ago

The Netflix documentary Downfall talked a little about it as well. It's absolutely cost cutting measures and horrendous engineering and QA across all of Boeing.

salawat 4y ago
Sabotaged QA you mean. When you're getting hounded about polishing that apple because management wants crap out the door, that's a powerful message that not even some of the most insanely dedicated QA groups can fully defang.

scoot 4y ago

> There was an Al-Jazeera report that was more substantial than any of the other mainstream US media As the name might suggest, Al Jazeera isn't a US media company. And despite being Qatari state owned, has mostly retained its editorial independence. It reminds me of what the BBC used to represent. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera

inferiorhuman 4y ago
Al Jazeera English was (at least initially) mostly ex-BBC staff.
rnk 4y ago
I think the bbc is still pretty good, their ukraine coverage seems excellent (the brexit cast and ukraine-cast podcasts are my favs).
fransje26 4y ago
Nailed it on the head with "used to represent".. Sad end for the BBC..

chx 4y ago

It's astounding the Boeing board haven't fired the upper management wholesale to reinstate an engineer-led culture instead of this horrid beancounter brigade. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/1997-merger-paved-way-boeing-090042193.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/1997-merger-paved-way-boeing-...

MattGaiser 4y ago
Boeing's board has just three people with degrees in engineering. They are outnumbered by accountants. Only two worked as engineers (the other is a pilot/Air Force) and only one of the two working engineers is from aviation. https://www.boeing.com/company/general-info/corporate-governance.page https://www.boeing.com/company/general-info/corporate-govern...

fransje26 4y ago

Absolutely agree.. And I don't think they needed to look very far to find flaws in that plane.. I probably shouldn't have been certified to start with. It's maybe not as bad as the MAX, but it ain't great either. Apparently they've made changes to the lightning strike protection systems in the wings, to decrease costs. And it's for the worse. Like removing insulation for lightning diffusers going straight through the fuel tanks. And let's not talk about the li-ion batteries..