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I don't know about Germany, in France it is considered something equivalent of racist or discriminatory to ask people for personal information like this. I'd pe

I don't know about Germany, in France it is considered something equivalent of racist or discriminatory to ask people for personal information like this. I'd personally rather see that approach migrate to North America so we can stop making everything about race. I don't think I'm saying anything new when I say that all the recent race focus had had exactly the opposite effect of ending discrimination, and has rolled back 100+ years of progress towards "color blind" equality where everyone is judged on their merits. It will be a real shame if europe buys in to this American nonsense. France is pretty strong minded and as a country thinks a lot more critically about political things, I'm cautiously optimistic that the people wouldn't go in for this.

giraffe_lady 5y ago
"color blind" is not where we are and trying to set that as the goal right now is causing problems. People do have different experiences in the world because of their races and pretending the races don't exist makes you blind to those effects. And 100 years of what now? A black man was lynched in my home town during my lifetime. My father was well into adulthood when desegregation began. I think you're gonna have to start the clock a little more recently. This stuff is still living memory, the effects of them linger tangibly in people's lives today. Ignoring race in data collection is a form of denial of it frankly.
- raxxorraxor 4y ago
  I don't buy this explanation it is still a bad idea.
pasabagi 5y ago
> as a country thinks a lot more critically about political things ... Did you miss the last election, where the far-right daughter of a noted neo-nazi faced off against a man who's only claim to electability was that he wasn't Le Pen? France is not the most depressing political culture in the EU, but that's just because there's such tough competition.

giraffe_lady 5y ago

"color blind" is not where we are and trying to set that as the goal right now is causing problems. People do have different experiences in the world because of their races and pretending the races don't exist makes you blind to those effects. And 100 years of what now? A black man was lynched in my home town during my lifetime. My father was well into adulthood when desegregation began. I think you're gonna have to start the clock a little more recently. This stuff is still living memory, the effects of them linger tangibly in people's lives today. Ignoring race in data collection is a form of denial of it frankly.

raxxorraxor 4y ago
I don't buy this explanation it is still a bad idea.

pasabagi 5y ago

> as a country thinks a lot more critically about political things ... Did you miss the last election, where the far-right daughter of a noted neo-nazi faced off against a man who's only claim to electability was that he wasn't Le Pen? France is not the most depressing political culture in the EU, but that's just because there's such tough competition.