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One company doing a slightly less shitty thing doesn't make it not shitty. > Just admit you hate Apple I do. I also hate Google (QC issues), Samsung (too many

One company doing a slightly less shitty thing doesn't make it not shitty. > Just admit you hate Apple I do. I also hate Google (QC issues), Samsung (too many to type out), Motorola/Lenovo (everything from cost cutting to poor updates), Asus (questionable bootloader relocking restrictions), Sony (bootloader unlocking purposely gimping cameras), modern Nokia (no unlocking at all), Microsoft (everything with Nokia/Steve Ballmer)... does that help? I hate everyone to different degrees for different reasons. Ohh.. btw there's a good bit of suspicion that Apple's efforts are just greenwashing/its right to repair equivalent. Please see Louis Rossman's channel for more info. He makes a living off repairing Apple hardware (mainly Macs).

nimbius 5y ago
i agree with this sentiment. to distil the comments into brand allegiance is an unfortunate mistake, as what most people are honestly trying to express is a seemingly unilateral consensus against the wholesale commodification and privatization of the experience of ownership. At best Apple is taking a well read treatise from Redmond and 'Embracing' a competition to their revenue stream. to put it another way, the cattle are free to graze on grass or grain, so long as they remain to chew the cud on Cooks farm.
blahblarblar 5y ago
Dude, you ok? That’s a lot of hate to be carrying around all the time, can’t be all that fun.
- makeitdouble 5y ago
  I share the sentiment, and think we’re not ok. We’d all be happier if we just gave up on all our hopes, but I also feel it’s important to keep acknowledging shitty things are still shitty.
- user_7832 5y ago
  Absolutely not. And I hope and intend to (be able to) change that.
  - ki85squared 5y ago
    I feel you. It's so tempting to reject practically every large company because of their missteps, but time heals all wounds.
iakh 5y ago
What's a quality brand you're recommend?
- user_7832 5y ago
  Realistically any brand can be okay as long as a) you don't get the short straw of QC [1], and b) you know what you're getting into (and why). When it comes to phones, the only "true" manufacturer that is repairable and open is fairphone - and they too got mired in controversy over their last phone [2] With that said, truth is a lot of these cos like locking down their phones, and if you're looking for a Libre-free experience, I'd recommend a Pixel. I myself use a Pixel 5 (it was the last flagship Pixel with an off the shelf chip... Tensor has tons of bugs apparently). The 5a is also out and fairly similar. My second choice would be Xiaomi, but specifically either their Mi flagships (where there's almost no cost cutting), or Redmi which are very budget and also value for money. I'd highly recommend flashing the Mi-EU ROM if you can, and custom ROMs are fortunately fairly common. Avoid the A series for weird bugs. Beyond this unfortunately it gets tougher. Older OnePlus were decent but recent phones aren't. Samsungs can be fantastic if you're cool with an ecosystem that's nearly as locked in as Apple's with nowhere as much of adoption. (Quick edit addition - for laptops Framework is decent but I'd honestly recommend spinning up a cyberdeck/an Intel NUC with a type C powerbank, portable monitor and BT mouse/Keyboard. Not convenient, sure, but unlikely to fail and easy to fix if failed. Commerical laptops that don't have shitty hinges? Maybe ThinkPads, perhaps Dell Latitude and perhaps Panasonic Toughbooks. HP ProBooks can be okay but HP can burn in hell for all I care. I legitimately hate them more than Apple (which isn't an easy task), but that story's for another day.) If you want to continue this conversation please let me know, I'd recommend another platform (for ease of typing/messaging). 1 - apparently Lenovo at one point realized it was cheaper to RMA ThinkPads than to QC them (as per what I read on r/Thinkpad). What fun (if it's actual, which, given Lenovo, is quite probable). 2 - because they dropped the headphone jack conveniently as the released wireless earbuds. Yes, waterproof headphone jacks are a thing even on budget phones like the 2015 Moto G3 (~$300?)
  - chemmail 5y ago
    For Android, it is hard to beat a good Samsung Galaxy. I fix a ton of my friends old Galaxies. I tell them not worth it because the screens are so expensive. But its always for their mom or something who really like the Galaxy and they upgraded them with some other brand of Android, Moto, LG, even low end Samsung and after a few months just can't take it anymore.
daniel-cussen 5y ago
I would echo this, with a similar thing: I hate all operating systems equally. Not trying to be negative exceeding how much I ought to be. But given that, I will use them.
ImprovedSilence 5y ago
I sense an imposter, you didn't mention Meta or Twitter. Any self respecting hater would never leave those two out!

nimbius 5y ago

i agree with this sentiment. to distil the comments into brand allegiance is an unfortunate mistake, as what most people are honestly trying to express is a seemingly unilateral consensus against the wholesale commodification and privatization of the experience of ownership. At best Apple is taking a well read treatise from Redmond and 'Embracing' a competition to their revenue stream. to put it another way, the cattle are free to graze on grass or grain, so long as they remain to chew the cud on Cooks farm.

blahblarblar 5y ago

Dude, you ok? That’s a lot of hate to be carrying around all the time, can’t be all that fun.

makeitdouble 5y ago
I share the sentiment, and think we’re not ok. We’d all be happier if we just gave up on all our hopes, but I also feel it’s important to keep acknowledging shitty things are still shitty.
user_7832 5y ago
Absolutely not. And I hope and intend to (be able to) change that.
- ki85squared 5y ago
  I feel you. It's so tempting to reject practically every large company because of their missteps, but time heals all wounds.

iakh 5y ago

What's a quality brand you're recommend?

user_7832 5y ago
Realistically any brand can be okay as long as a) you don't get the short straw of QC [1], and b) you know what you're getting into (and why). When it comes to phones, the only "true" manufacturer that is repairable and open is fairphone - and they too got mired in controversy over their last phone [2] With that said, truth is a lot of these cos like locking down their phones, and if you're looking for a Libre-free experience, I'd recommend a Pixel. I myself use a Pixel 5 (it was the last flagship Pixel with an off the shelf chip... Tensor has tons of bugs apparently). The 5a is also out and fairly similar. My second choice would be Xiaomi, but specifically either their Mi flagships (where there's almost no cost cutting), or Redmi which are very budget and also value for money. I'd highly recommend flashing the Mi-EU ROM if you can, and custom ROMs are fortunately fairly common. Avoid the A series for weird bugs. Beyond this unfortunately it gets tougher. Older OnePlus were decent but recent phones aren't. Samsungs can be fantastic if you're cool with an ecosystem that's nearly as locked in as Apple's with nowhere as much of adoption. (Quick edit addition - for laptops Framework is decent but I'd honestly recommend spinning up a cyberdeck/an Intel NUC with a type C powerbank, portable monitor and BT mouse/Keyboard. Not convenient, sure, but unlikely to fail and easy to fix if failed. Commerical laptops that don't have shitty hinges? Maybe ThinkPads, perhaps Dell Latitude and perhaps Panasonic Toughbooks. HP ProBooks can be okay but HP can burn in hell for all I care. I legitimately hate them more than Apple (which isn't an easy task), but that story's for another day.) If you want to continue this conversation please let me know, I'd recommend another platform (for ease of typing/messaging). 1 - apparently Lenovo at one point realized it was cheaper to RMA ThinkPads than to QC them (as per what I read on r/Thinkpad). What fun (if it's actual, which, given Lenovo, is quite probable). 2 - because they dropped the headphone jack conveniently as the released wireless earbuds. Yes, waterproof headphone jacks are a thing even on budget phones like the 2015 Moto G3 (~$300?)
- chemmail 5y ago
  For Android, it is hard to beat a good Samsung Galaxy. I fix a ton of my friends old Galaxies. I tell them not worth it because the screens are so expensive. But its always for their mom or something who really like the Galaxy and they upgraded them with some other brand of Android, Moto, LG, even low end Samsung and after a few months just can't take it anymore.

daniel-cussen 5y ago

I would echo this, with a similar thing: I hate all operating systems equally. Not trying to be negative exceeding how much I ought to be. But given that, I will use them.

ImprovedSilence 5y ago

I sense an imposter, you didn't mention Meta or Twitter. Any self respecting hater would never leave those two out!