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> nobody is holding a gun to your head forcing you to buy phones you can't root The DMCA (and to a lesser extent, CFAA) is routinely abused by software & hardw

> nobody is holding a gun to your head forcing you to buy phones you can't root The DMCA (and to a lesser extent, CFAA) is routinely abused by software & hardware manufacturers to prevent people from taking control of their own devices, and if you do it at a large scale then you will eventually end up with a gun to your head.

reedjosh 5y ago
I mean the Pixel series of phones are built to be unlockable/root-able straight from google..
- ttarr 5y ago
  Not always, mine's locked.
  - reedjosh 5y ago
    Is yours from a carrier? Verizon's and others are locked, but I've never heard of a lock stage from giggle.
- npteljes 5y ago
  Even then, terms and conditions apply. See this user's experience here[0], where they report that the repair services locked the phone after purchase. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31166871 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31166871
dane-pgp 5y ago
We need a "Right to Repair Democracy".
- manquer 5y ago
  Regulations are short term /high friction solutions even if you had good ones, sooner or later big companies will work around them/regulatory capture , change will only come if people show it by what they buy . Vote with your pocket , there are phones like fairphone [1] which makes right to repair a central part of their design . Even if people don’t know or care about right to repair a lot of people care about sustainability , you can’t have one sustainable credentials with unrepairable phones like Apple keeps marketing. Help others in your life make that informed choice . [1] https://shop.fairphone.com/en/ https://shop.fairphone.com/en/
  - Jon_Lowtek 5y ago
    We need regulations, and more so constitutionalism, to set boundaries for the free market economy in favor of humanitarianism, environmentalism and liberalism, or those who vote with their pocket will vote us all back into feudalism by selling their vote to their oppressors for short term tangible benefits. And they looked from their windows at the angry masses and asked: "What do they want?" - "Well they are unhappy that Disney only streams to certified firmware, that banking apps don't work on rooted systems, and that their devices report to the secret police" - "I don't understand" - "They say their bread is moldy and rotten" - "Then why don't they eat cake?" Supporting ethical companies is a good thing and you should totally do that. But i doubt the emergence of surveillance capitalism can be solved by that alone. By no means stop advocating for it, it does bring change, but some business and government practices must be regulated. And some existing regulation must be changed to favor humans instead of corporations and government agencies. Note the thread is not about a "right to repair" but a "right to repair democracy"

reedjosh 5y ago

I mean the Pixel series of phones are built to be unlockable/root-able straight from google..

ttarr 5y ago
Not always, mine's locked.
- reedjosh 5y ago
  Is yours from a carrier? Verizon's and others are locked, but I've never heard of a lock stage from giggle.
npteljes 5y ago
Even then, terms and conditions apply. See this user's experience here[0], where they report that the repair services locked the phone after purchase. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31166871 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31166871

dane-pgp 5y ago

We need a "Right to Repair Democracy".

manquer 5y ago
Regulations are short term /high friction solutions even if you had good ones, sooner or later big companies will work around them/regulatory capture , change will only come if people show it by what they buy . Vote with your pocket , there are phones like fairphone [1] which makes right to repair a central part of their design . Even if people don’t know or care about right to repair a lot of people care about sustainability , you can’t have one sustainable credentials with unrepairable phones like Apple keeps marketing. Help others in your life make that informed choice . [1] https://shop.fairphone.com/en/ https://shop.fairphone.com/en/
- Jon_Lowtek 5y ago
  We need regulations, and more so constitutionalism, to set boundaries for the free market economy in favor of humanitarianism, environmentalism and liberalism, or those who vote with their pocket will vote us all back into feudalism by selling their vote to their oppressors for short term tangible benefits. And they looked from their windows at the angry masses and asked: "What do they want?" - "Well they are unhappy that Disney only streams to certified firmware, that banking apps don't work on rooted systems, and that their devices report to the secret police" - "I don't understand" - "They say their bread is moldy and rotten" - "Then why don't they eat cake?" Supporting ethical companies is a good thing and you should totally do that. But i doubt the emergence of surveillance capitalism can be solved by that alone. By no means stop advocating for it, it does bring change, but some business and government practices must be regulated. And some existing regulation must be changed to favor humans instead of corporations and government agencies. Note the thread is not about a "right to repair" but a "right to repair democracy"