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This post is proving my point: instead of answering simple questions being asked, lispers start lecturing and picking on other languages. You shouldn't know abo

by skolos 18y ago

This post is proving my point: instead of answering simple questions being asked, lispers start lecturing and picking on other languages. You shouldn't know about static and dynamic linking, interpreters and compilers and other under the hood stuff to write simple lisp program (or even quite complex) and show it off to your friend without installing whole lisp implementation (maybe emacs with slime too?) on your friend's computer. Why lispers are so elitist? Lisp is good not because it is the hardest language to learn, it is actually quite easy to pick up basic stuff, lisp is good because it is very powerful. Why make it harder for novices to try this language? This is not the way to develop the community.

anamax 18y ago
Looking above, we see that you admitted that your question was answered. Lisp "executables" typically require run-times, just like "executables" in many other languages. However, now the goal posts are moving. The original question was how to deploy a lisp program. That typically requires the relevant run times, just as it does in every other language that uses dynamic linking and/or interpretation. (Emacs is not required to run lisp. Heck, it isn't even required to write it. Likewise, slime is a development convenience. If it's too much trouble, don't bother.) I mentioned other languages to demonstrate that the problem is not lisp-specific. To write a program in any language, someone has to install a compiler or interpreter and their dependencies. Folks who can't/won't do that themselves are stuck with whatever came with their system. Again, this is not lisp-specific. It would be nice if a reasonable lisp came pre-installed as part of linux distributions. But, like lots of other languages, it doesn't. If you can't or won't install runtimes, there are lots of things that you can't deploy. (That's why I asked about an installation system to help automate this work.) If you can't or won't install a compiler and/or interpreter, there are lots of languages that you can't write.
- Tritis 18y ago
  You still haven't answered the question. I read the thread and now you're off ranting about other languages needing runtimes blah blah blah. How do I deploy a lisp application to an end user when all I know is his operating system?
  - Retric 18y ago
    Look he like most people said use a "LISP compiler". If you don't know how to do that try to google "LISP compiler" Click first link "Free Common LISP Interpreters, Compilers and Development Systems ..." For UNIX try "CMU Common Lisp Compiler" For Windows try "Ufasoft Lisp Studio" LISP people don't try to hold your hand and point out every last step on the path but he gave you lot's of useful information if you are willing to spend a few seconds trying to understand what they said. PS: As soon as you start complaining about not getting enough info they stop caring. But if you asked what a good LISP compiler for windows was they would probably answer your question.

by skolos 18y ago

anamax 18y ago

Looking above, we see that you admitted that your question was answered. Lisp "executables" typically require run-times, just like "executables" in many other languages. However, now the goal posts are moving. The original question was how to deploy a lisp program. That typically requires the relevant run times, just as it does in every other language that uses dynamic linking and/or interpretation. (Emacs is not required to run lisp. Heck, it isn't even required to write it. Likewise, slime is a development convenience. If it's too much trouble, don't bother.) I mentioned other languages to demonstrate that the problem is not lisp-specific. To write a program in any language, someone has to install a compiler or interpreter and their dependencies. Folks who can't/won't do that themselves are stuck with whatever came with their system. Again, this is not lisp-specific. It would be nice if a reasonable lisp came pre-installed as part of linux distributions. But, like lots of other languages, it doesn't. If you can't or won't install runtimes, there are lots of things that you can't deploy. (That's why I asked about an installation system to help automate this work.) If you can't or won't install a compiler and/or interpreter, there are lots of languages that you can't write.

Tritis 18y ago
You still haven't answered the question. I read the thread and now you're off ranting about other languages needing runtimes blah blah blah. How do I deploy a lisp application to an end user when all I know is his operating system?
- Retric 18y ago
  Look he like most people said use a "LISP compiler". If you don't know how to do that try to google "LISP compiler" Click first link "Free Common LISP Interpreters, Compilers and Development Systems ..." For UNIX try "CMU Common Lisp Compiler" For Windows try "Ufasoft Lisp Studio" LISP people don't try to hold your hand and point out every last step on the path but he gave you lot's of useful information if you are willing to spend a few seconds trying to understand what they said. PS: As soon as you start complaining about not getting enough info they stop caring. But if you asked what a good LISP compiler for windows was they would probably answer your question.