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I'd like to know what "considering leaving" means in this study. I consider leaving my profession every time a React hook misbehaves and locks up my browser, bu

by vlunkr 5y ago

I'd like to know what "considering leaving" means in this study. I consider leaving my profession every time a React hook misbehaves and locks up my browser, but I'm not actually going to leave. 90% seems way too high to be people who are actively wanting to leave.

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cupofpython 5y ago
> 90% seems way too high to be people who are actively wanting to leave We are talking about the people who clean up the nastiest human waste that our bodies are capable of producing. I was already surprised that this number was ever less than 100% tbh
- vlunkr 5y ago
  Well they knew that going in, so I'm not convinced that's a factor.
  - ejb999 5y ago
    right, and while nurses do have to do some things I would consider gross, more often than not, it is the lower paid medical assistants and CNA's that get the real awful jobs that does not require a nursing degree - i.e. changing diapers in nursing home, bathing people etc - won't find too many nurses doing that in the nursing homes around me.
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- ejb999 5y ago
  Yes, but that is what they signed up for - i.e. they knew it going in, and that has not all of a sudden changed. I couldn't do it, and god bless them, but that is unlikely a cause of people leaving the profession - that would be like a computer programmer saying they were leaving the profession because they suddenly found out they have to stare at a screen most of the day. I also find that '90%' number suspect as someone that works very closely with the healthcare community - there is a lot of turnover, and its hard to hire nurses right now - but almost always when someone leaves their job it is because they went down the street and got a 25% raise, i.e. they didn't leave their profession, just their job.
- lbebber 5y ago
  A friend of mine was (is?) completely unfazed by this sort of thing--right from the start, it was not some resistance built up over time. She left the profession due to the long hours, low pay, and poor treatment.
supertrope 5y ago
Stated and revealed preferences are very different.
makeitdouble 5y ago
90% leaving might be too high, but even of a tenth actually manages to move on it will have a huge impact. More importantly, a lot of them will be leaving though burnout and depression (a significant number of hospital staff is already on this course).
rsanek 5y ago
Exactly, without any context this number is meaningless. How many were considering leaving a year ago, 3 years ago? We have no idea if this is a trend or even outside the norm -- perhaps nurses simply often run into days that make them reconsider their career choice.
superzadeh 4y ago
FWIW, comparing a misbehaving react hook with the challenges of being a nurse today feels weirdly entitled. Get closer to the reality of their job and you might start to understand why 90% want to leave (90% is a conservative number IMO). If you’d cut your pay down to 25% of what you make, work 12h a day with a single 30min lunch break (that gets interrupted regularly), including several weekends and nights every month, without guaranteed vacations for holiday season/new year’s eve, work in a team that’s 50% understaff but still needs to deliver no matter what, without any carrer path forward, you’d leave your current SWE job right away. And in comparison, you’d still not be be even to close to what they do (i.e: cleaning up body fluids).
- vlunkr 4y ago
  I thought it was pretty clear that I was joking about that part. My point is everyone has struggles with their job and may think about leaving sometimes. For me, the question "have you considered leaving your career in the past year?" Is not specific enough to have a reasonable answer, so I'd like to know what the questions were more specifically.

by vlunkr 5y ago

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cupofpython 5y ago

> 90% seems way too high to be people who are actively wanting to leave We are talking about the people who clean up the nastiest human waste that our bodies are capable of producing. I was already surprised that this number was ever less than 100% tbh

vlunkr 5y ago
Well they knew that going in, so I'm not convinced that's a factor.
- ejb999 5y ago
  right, and while nurses do have to do some things I would consider gross, more often than not, it is the lower paid medical assistants and CNA's that get the real awful jobs that does not require a nursing degree - i.e. changing diapers in nursing home, bathing people etc - won't find too many nurses doing that in the nursing homes around me.
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ejb999 5y ago
Yes, but that is what they signed up for - i.e. they knew it going in, and that has not all of a sudden changed. I couldn't do it, and god bless them, but that is unlikely a cause of people leaving the profession - that would be like a computer programmer saying they were leaving the profession because they suddenly found out they have to stare at a screen most of the day. I also find that '90%' number suspect as someone that works very closely with the healthcare community - there is a lot of turnover, and its hard to hire nurses right now - but almost always when someone leaves their job it is because they went down the street and got a 25% raise, i.e. they didn't leave their profession, just their job.
lbebber 5y ago
A friend of mine was (is?) completely unfazed by this sort of thing--right from the start, it was not some resistance built up over time. She left the profession due to the long hours, low pay, and poor treatment.

supertrope 5y ago

Stated and revealed preferences are very different.

makeitdouble 5y ago

90% leaving might be too high, but even of a tenth actually manages to move on it will have a huge impact. More importantly, a lot of them will be leaving though burnout and depression (a significant number of hospital staff is already on this course).

rsanek 5y ago

Exactly, without any context this number is meaningless. How many were considering leaving a year ago, 3 years ago? We have no idea if this is a trend or even outside the norm -- perhaps nurses simply often run into days that make them reconsider their career choice.

superzadeh 4y ago

FWIW, comparing a misbehaving react hook with the challenges of being a nurse today feels weirdly entitled. Get closer to the reality of their job and you might start to understand why 90% want to leave (90% is a conservative number IMO). If you’d cut your pay down to 25% of what you make, work 12h a day with a single 30min lunch break (that gets interrupted regularly), including several weekends and nights every month, without guaranteed vacations for holiday season/new year’s eve, work in a team that’s 50% understaff but still needs to deliver no matter what, without any carrer path forward, you’d leave your current SWE job right away. And in comparison, you’d still not be be even to close to what they do (i.e: cleaning up body fluids).

vlunkr 4y ago
I thought it was pretty clear that I was joking about that part. My point is everyone has struggles with their job and may think about leaving sometimes. For me, the question "have you considered leaving your career in the past year?" Is not specific enough to have a reasonable answer, so I'd like to know what the questions were more specifically.