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A university doesn't cost 200K. Even in the US residents pay less than that and if you take into account community college for the first 2 years it's not really

A university doesn't cost 200K. Even in the US residents pay less than that and if you take into account community college for the first 2 years it's not really as absurdly expensive as it's made out to be. Please don't spread half-baked misinformation. >That, plus CMU OMSCS, seems like something they could finish by age 17. Socially, I'm not sure they'd do well starting traditional college early. Academically, middle / high school seems like a waste of time. Apparently even high school is a waste of time. What's not a waste of time for you? Are you to be put directly as head of engineering at Tesla so that someone as gifted as you doesn't "waste" their precious time?

raunak 4y ago
Average 4-year private school would cost 200k, if not more if you're going to any private T100. Average person in this community also wouldn't go to CC.
- nnoitra 4y ago
  Why wouldn't an average person in this community go to a CC? I understand there's some stigma for community colleges but you can get a great education without getting anywhere near 200K. Won't be Ivy League though. For example, Stony Brooks costs 10K in tuition per year for in-state residents.
  - Calavar 4y ago
    Stony Brook isn't a community college. It is a 4 year university. I do agree though that there are many great universities where you can get an education for a fraction of the $200k bill that top private colleges have.
bombcar 4y ago
4 years at a random WI university as a resident sets you back $60k. Swap that for a random CA university and we're at $150k (using their numbers!) If you focus on tuition alone it's cheaper, but room and board do add up, and if you come from out-of-state you're even worse off.
- oceanghost 4y ago
  My tuition at a prominent UC in the late 90s (per quarter)... was $1200. Books probably added another $600 to that.
  - formerkrogemp 4y ago
    That's nice. State schools now cost a minimum of $10,000 in state tuition per year excluding room and board. That's the cheapest you can get. Out of state tuition is $16,000-$20,000. It's not that cheap anymore.
    - Melting_Harps 4y ago
      > That's nice. State schools now cost a minimum of $10,000 in state tuition per year excluding room and board. That's the cheapest you can get. Out of state tuition is $16,000-$20,000. It's not that cheap anymore. People under-estimate the total cost of school: housing is going to be the biggest expense in CA. It's insane to think that only a few decades prior, the CSU/UC system was almost entirely covered with pell-grants and student aid if you were from CA, a UC you could cover with just a PT job, or working FT in the Summer. Now it's entirely impossible to walk out without high 5 to low 6 digits worth of debt even if you live with your parents. We took the envy of the University system in the US and turned it over to the administrative cronies that came from banks and hedge-funds who monetized it 20 ways from Sunday in order to bleed the students dry and wasted it on bloarted salaries form themselves and more needless things to attract foreign money into the the campuses while gutting the academic programs where ever possible--we used such crappy lab equipment in most of my undergrad it was astonishing where all the money went in student and lab fees. I went to several CSUs, as well as did summer school or took extra elective at Community colleges to expedite my graduation date and to make up for a lost semester due to a severe car accident, and the level of BS I went through only to see how these leeches operated still makes my blood boil. I was in an impacted major, Biology, in one of the major 'party schools' in the CSU system and these bastards prioritized admission into the department based on out of state and non-US based tuition rates. They didn't even hide it, either: they only offered a class you needed to graduate once a year and instead of opening up the section for more students they capped it unless you were from out-of state or out of US and could ten petetion for it based on an 'urgency' basis. I'm glad they went to Zoom school model, because it shows just how unnecessary 99% of the expenses are and we're re-thinking how we actually educate and accredit degrees. I got into a well-known University in Europe with a strong AI and ML CompSci program after having founded a fintech startup and my work experience working for a megacorp. And to be honest, I now realize that my actual worth was way higher even back then (an honors student with letters of recommendation) but I put up with a lot of it because of the 2008 financial crisis that hit me/my family really hard economically as well as the CSUs particularly bad (they cut the budgets hard) and made us all scramble for the doors in order to graduate and try to get into the horrible job market for the few jobs left over. In short, I will laugh on the grave of traditional academia, which cannot come soon enough.
Cerealkiller050 4y ago
Just as a data point, I did just this 2 years community college: 4 semesters, ~$1,400 2 years university: 9 quarters (took 1 summer), ~$12,500 These are early 2010's numbers in California, not a private university. I look back and I am pleased with the education I received for the most part, especially in my major (CS)
- digisign 4y ago
  Housing, food, books... parking?
- Noturos 4y ago
  I did the same in California and graduated with a CS last year from Cal State East Bay. I think the grand total for my degree was about $25,000. It's totally doable to end up debt free with a part time job while living at home. Or easily payable after graduation.

raunak 4y ago

Average 4-year private school would cost 200k, if not more if you're going to any private T100. Average person in this community also wouldn't go to CC.

nnoitra 4y ago
Why wouldn't an average person in this community go to a CC? I understand there's some stigma for community colleges but you can get a great education without getting anywhere near 200K. Won't be Ivy League though. For example, Stony Brooks costs 10K in tuition per year for in-state residents.
- Calavar 4y ago
  Stony Brook isn't a community college. It is a 4 year university. I do agree though that there are many great universities where you can get an education for a fraction of the $200k bill that top private colleges have.

bombcar 4y ago

4 years at a random WI university as a resident sets you back $60k. Swap that for a random CA university and we're at $150k (using their numbers!) If you focus on tuition alone it's cheaper, but room and board do add up, and if you come from out-of-state you're even worse off.

oceanghost 4y ago
My tuition at a prominent UC in the late 90s (per quarter)... was $1200. Books probably added another $600 to that.
- formerkrogemp 4y ago
  That's nice. State schools now cost a minimum of $10,000 in state tuition per year excluding room and board. That's the cheapest you can get. Out of state tuition is $16,000-$20,000. It's not that cheap anymore.
  - Melting_Harps 4y ago
    > That's nice. State schools now cost a minimum of $10,000 in state tuition per year excluding room and board. That's the cheapest you can get. Out of state tuition is $16,000-$20,000. It's not that cheap anymore. People under-estimate the total cost of school: housing is going to be the biggest expense in CA. It's insane to think that only a few decades prior, the CSU/UC system was almost entirely covered with pell-grants and student aid if you were from CA, a UC you could cover with just a PT job, or working FT in the Summer. Now it's entirely impossible to walk out without high 5 to low 6 digits worth of debt even if you live with your parents. We took the envy of the University system in the US and turned it over to the administrative cronies that came from banks and hedge-funds who monetized it 20 ways from Sunday in order to bleed the students dry and wasted it on bloarted salaries form themselves and more needless things to attract foreign money into the the campuses while gutting the academic programs where ever possible--we used such crappy lab equipment in most of my undergrad it was astonishing where all the money went in student and lab fees. I went to several CSUs, as well as did summer school or took extra elective at Community colleges to expedite my graduation date and to make up for a lost semester due to a severe car accident, and the level of BS I went through only to see how these leeches operated still makes my blood boil. I was in an impacted major, Biology, in one of the major 'party schools' in the CSU system and these bastards prioritized admission into the department based on out of state and non-US based tuition rates. They didn't even hide it, either: they only offered a class you needed to graduate once a year and instead of opening up the section for more students they capped it unless you were from out-of state or out of US and could ten petetion for it based on an 'urgency' basis. I'm glad they went to Zoom school model, because it shows just how unnecessary 99% of the expenses are and we're re-thinking how we actually educate and accredit degrees. I got into a well-known University in Europe with a strong AI and ML CompSci program after having founded a fintech startup and my work experience working for a megacorp. And to be honest, I now realize that my actual worth was way higher even back then (an honors student with letters of recommendation) but I put up with a lot of it because of the 2008 financial crisis that hit me/my family really hard economically as well as the CSUs particularly bad (they cut the budgets hard) and made us all scramble for the doors in order to graduate and try to get into the horrible job market for the few jobs left over. In short, I will laugh on the grave of traditional academia, which cannot come soon enough.

Cerealkiller050 4y ago

Just as a data point, I did just this 2 years community college: 4 semesters, ~$1,400 2 years university: 9 quarters (took 1 summer), ~$12,500 These are early 2010's numbers in California, not a private university. I look back and I am pleased with the education I received for the most part, especially in my major (CS)

digisign 4y ago
Housing, food, books... parking?
Noturos 4y ago
I did the same in California and graduated with a CS last year from Cal State East Bay. I think the grand total for my degree was about $25,000. It's totally doable to end up debt free with a part time job while living at home. Or easily payable after graduation.