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This is totally anecdotal, so take it for what it's worth, but in addition to nurses leaving the profession I've seen quite a few doctors in my area leaving the

This is totally anecdotal, so take it for what it's worth, but in addition to nurses leaving the profession I've seen quite a few doctors in my area leaving the profession as well. Relatively young men and women retiring the profession completely post pandemic, though I haven't had an opportunity, nor would I, to ask them why they left the position. I have no idea if it has anything to do with the pandemic or the administration or working with insurance =/ here are some "articles" on the subject: https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1594 https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1594 https://www.beckersasc.com/benchmarking/22-of-physicians-considering-early-retirement-amid-covid-19-4-stats-to-know.html https://www.beckersasc.com/benchmarking/22-of-physicians-con... https://www.medpagetoday.com/practicemanagement/practicemanagement/38013 https://www.medpagetoday.com/practicemanagement/practicemana... And one of these articles (the last) is from 2013, talking about a change in healthcare practices (corporate unification), the ACA (limits on accepting medicare patients) and the health reform law (liability reform). So, I guess medical burnout has been coming log before Covid and we have just been ignoring it?

bkjelden 4y ago
I have no doubt that MDs are leaving as well - but, at least from my perspective, in any large healthcare system, there is a drastic difference between the way middle management treats MDs and the way they treat everyone else. The latter is completely expendable, whereas the MDs do have a fair amount of negotiating leverage around their working conditions.
- UnpossibleJim 4y ago
  Oh, don't get me wrong. The way nurses are treated is horrible. I wasn't arguing that and I hope it didn't come across that way.
  - bkjelden 4y ago
    Not at all! I'm just sharing what I've seen - middle management treats MDs drastically different than NPs and PAs, even in states where the latter have almost the same scope of practice. This is not to say that MDs don't have their own reasons to be mad at the system - insurance, changes in patient attitudes, etc.

bkjelden 4y ago

I have no doubt that MDs are leaving as well - but, at least from my perspective, in any large healthcare system, there is a drastic difference between the way middle management treats MDs and the way they treat everyone else. The latter is completely expendable, whereas the MDs do have a fair amount of negotiating leverage around their working conditions.

UnpossibleJim 4y ago
Oh, don't get me wrong. The way nurses are treated is horrible. I wasn't arguing that and I hope it didn't come across that way.
- bkjelden 4y ago
  Not at all! I'm just sharing what I've seen - middle management treats MDs drastically different than NPs and PAs, even in states where the latter have almost the same scope of practice. This is not to say that MDs don't have their own reasons to be mad at the system - insurance, changes in patient attitudes, etc.