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Nurses complain about their work conditions, but I don't understand them. They had this massive leverage during the pandemic to discuss improvements. Some peopl

Nurses complain about their work conditions, but I don't understand them. They had this massive leverage during the pandemic to discuss improvements. Some people may say "Oh but it is illegal for nurses to strike in country X", but what will governments and companies realistically do if all nurses decide to stop, arrest everyone and let the health system collapse? Not a reasonable option. There's just something masochist about their profession.

Ensorceled 4y ago
It's more a lack of psychopathy in the profession. If nurses in Ontario had gone on strike two months ago, a lot of extra people would have died.
- sonicggg 4y ago
  I know Ontario all too well. The same people that depend on nurses won't do more than needlessly beat pots and pans for their "heros". They do not even support them with their votes, which put in power the nefarious Conservative party. Who exactly are the nurses standing for? People that won't have their back.
  - TOMDM 4y ago
    I think there's some middle ground between "Hey, we need some more support, our conditions suck" and "Fuck it, we'll let the sick die I guess"
d4mi3n 4y ago
Legalities aside, how would you feel about refusing to work for poor pay/conditions if you knew for a fact that said decision would result in many deaths? Not a chance, not a speculation, but absolute awareness of the number of patients that will not receive care and likewise will die as a result. I don’t think it’s fair to blame nurses for poor treatment when they have a multitude of terrible options to pursue in order to improve their working conditions.
belval 4y ago
It's unfortunate to see this downvoted because I've heard this sentiment echo'ed a lot and I think it's worth explaining. It's not about the illegality, it's really just about people dying. Yes you can go on a strike but your patient that's in critical condition won't survive on principle. You could say "just don't care about the patient and strike anyway", but that's extremely hard to do. Striking when it hurts some millionaire owner is one thing, you wouldn't feel bad about yourself. Striking when it hurts someone post-op who did nothing wrong aside from being sick isn't noble, you get to live with the fact that as an individual you could have saved them, yet you didn't because you wanted money.
sonzohan 4y ago
It seems like your comment would be better directed towards weak or absent nurse unions, instead of individuals. I had countless nurse and physician friends go to their hospital directors/HR/managers during the pandemic "I need a raise because I have absorbed the load of 3 other workers and am working harder than ever." Not only were they refused, many instead received 10-33% pay cuts, with hospitals citing increased Opex costs despite decreased staffing, significant government assistance, and increased volunteer (0-cost) help. It'd also be enlightening for people in this thread to have hospital executives explain how they have some of the highest patient numbers in history yet they're hemorrhaging so much money their physicians had to take pay cuts. Nurses, due to their profession having relatively low barriers to entry yet requiring years of operational knowledge to truly be effective, need collective bargaining. Nurses do strike, and nurse strikes are actively occurring on the U.S. West Coast. However, the unions they represent are small and have little power overall. For a strike to be successful you need solidarity from a majority of workers in the area you want to impact. You also need buy-in from the hospital/region that union nurses will provide superior care to non-union nurses. Something that's hard to do when your average executive thinks that the most complicated thing a nurse does is sticking a patient.

Ensorceled 4y ago

It's more a lack of psychopathy in the profession. If nurses in Ontario had gone on strike two months ago, a lot of extra people would have died.

sonicggg 4y ago
I know Ontario all too well. The same people that depend on nurses won't do more than needlessly beat pots and pans for their "heros". They do not even support them with their votes, which put in power the nefarious Conservative party. Who exactly are the nurses standing for? People that won't have their back.
- TOMDM 4y ago
  I think there's some middle ground between "Hey, we need some more support, our conditions suck" and "Fuck it, we'll let the sick die I guess"

d4mi3n 4y ago

Legalities aside, how would you feel about refusing to work for poor pay/conditions if you knew for a fact that said decision would result in many deaths? Not a chance, not a speculation, but absolute awareness of the number of patients that will not receive care and likewise will die as a result. I don’t think it’s fair to blame nurses for poor treatment when they have a multitude of terrible options to pursue in order to improve their working conditions.

belval 4y ago

It's unfortunate to see this downvoted because I've heard this sentiment echo'ed a lot and I think it's worth explaining. It's not about the illegality, it's really just about people dying. Yes you can go on a strike but your patient that's in critical condition won't survive on principle. You could say "just don't care about the patient and strike anyway", but that's extremely hard to do. Striking when it hurts some millionaire owner is one thing, you wouldn't feel bad about yourself. Striking when it hurts someone post-op who did nothing wrong aside from being sick isn't noble, you get to live with the fact that as an individual you could have saved them, yet you didn't because you wanted money.

sonzohan 4y ago

It seems like your comment would be better directed towards weak or absent nurse unions, instead of individuals. I had countless nurse and physician friends go to their hospital directors/HR/managers during the pandemic "I need a raise because I have absorbed the load of 3 other workers and am working harder than ever." Not only were they refused, many instead received 10-33% pay cuts, with hospitals citing increased Opex costs despite decreased staffing, significant government assistance, and increased volunteer (0-cost) help. It'd also be enlightening for people in this thread to have hospital executives explain how they have some of the highest patient numbers in history yet they're hemorrhaging so much money their physicians had to take pay cuts. Nurses, due to their profession having relatively low barriers to entry yet requiring years of operational knowledge to truly be effective, need collective bargaining. Nurses do strike, and nurse strikes are actively occurring on the U.S. West Coast. However, the unions they represent are small and have little power overall. For a strike to be successful you need solidarity from a majority of workers in the area you want to impact. You also need buy-in from the hospital/region that union nurses will provide superior care to non-union nurses. Something that's hard to do when your average executive thinks that the most complicated thing a nurse does is sticking a patient.