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Hard profession but one of the last things to be automated imo, guaranteed income for next 30-40 years. Don't think you can say the same about certain types of

Hard profession but one of the last things to be automated imo, guaranteed income for next 30-40 years. Don't think you can say the same about certain types of doctors for instance.

xhkkffbf 5y ago
A friend who is an anesthesiologist said that he was retiring because the new machines were so good that no one wanted to pay for an anesthesiologist anymore. They were happy with a nurse. So you're right.
- theguyovrthere 5y ago
  CRNA != Nurse in the same sense as a registered nurse in an ICU or med-surge department. CRNA is the Nurse Practitioner version of Anesthesiologists. They're paying for less anesthesiologists and hiring more Certified Registered Nurse Anesthetist because they're cheaper, perform a sweeping majority of the same function, and multiple can be supervised by an anesthesiologist who is on hand to fill the small gap between theirs and the CRNA scope of practice.
- biohax2015 5y ago
  There are tons of openings for anesthesiologists paying 400k+. https://www.gaswork.com/search/Anesthesiologist/Job/All https://www.gaswork.com/search/Anesthesiologist/Job/All
  - weatherlite 5y ago
    That's quite pricey, sounds like a good candidate for automation :)
- weatherlite 5y ago
  It is very algorithmic in nature afaik, so quite easy to automate. As is oncology, radiology and many aspects of family medicine. It won't be tomorrow, but 10-20 years from now I think is very realistic for huge changes. Brave new world...
mbg721 5y ago
Nursing won't be automated soon, but automated systems will be used for things that nurses used to do (with predictably worse results).
- lghh 5y ago
  Nurses do a lot of menial tasks that they are overqualified for. Could those not be freed up by automation so that nurses can do the high-skill tasks they are uniquely qualified to do? I think you're right in the sense that I expect we won't shoot to automate the menial tasks first, and instead will let our hubris guide us to automate the high-skill tasks. But speaking optimistically, there's a lot of productive automation that can happen. Heck, a lot of it has already happened via digital record keeping.
  - weatherlite 5y ago
    But much of those menial tasks are quite difficult to automate - changing IVs, bed sheets, patient clothes, bandages, diapers etc etc...I don't think AI/robotics is anywhere close. However, it is possible that much of the menial work will be delegated to lower paid "nurse aides" that don't really need much medical knowledge , while the real therapeutic work start being automated by machines and algorithms. Thus salaries will be squeezed downwards, which in the end is what the system wants obviously.

Hard profession but one of the last things to be automated imo, guaranteed income for next 30-40 years. Don't think you can say the same about certain types of doctors for instance.

xhkkffbf 5y ago

A friend who is an anesthesiologist said that he was retiring because the new machines were so good that no one wanted to pay for an anesthesiologist anymore. They were happy with a nurse. So you're right.

theguyovrthere 5y ago
CRNA != Nurse in the same sense as a registered nurse in an ICU or med-surge department. CRNA is the Nurse Practitioner version of Anesthesiologists. They're paying for less anesthesiologists and hiring more Certified Registered Nurse Anesthetist because they're cheaper, perform a sweeping majority of the same function, and multiple can be supervised by an anesthesiologist who is on hand to fill the small gap between theirs and the CRNA scope of practice.
biohax2015 5y ago
There are tons of openings for anesthesiologists paying 400k+. https://www.gaswork.com/search/Anesthesiologist/Job/All https://www.gaswork.com/search/Anesthesiologist/Job/All
- weatherlite 5y ago
  That's quite pricey, sounds like a good candidate for automation :)
weatherlite 5y ago
It is very algorithmic in nature afaik, so quite easy to automate. As is oncology, radiology and many aspects of family medicine. It won't be tomorrow, but 10-20 years from now I think is very realistic for huge changes. Brave new world...

mbg721 5y ago

Nursing won't be automated soon, but automated systems will be used for things that nurses used to do (with predictably worse results).

lghh 5y ago
Nurses do a lot of menial tasks that they are overqualified for. Could those not be freed up by automation so that nurses can do the high-skill tasks they are uniquely qualified to do? I think you're right in the sense that I expect we won't shoot to automate the menial tasks first, and instead will let our hubris guide us to automate the high-skill tasks. But speaking optimistically, there's a lot of productive automation that can happen. Heck, a lot of it has already happened via digital record keeping.
- weatherlite 5y ago
  But much of those menial tasks are quite difficult to automate - changing IVs, bed sheets, patient clothes, bandages, diapers etc etc...I don't think AI/robotics is anywhere close. However, it is possible that much of the menial work will be delegated to lower paid "nurse aides" that don't really need much medical knowledge , while the real therapeutic work start being automated by machines and algorithms. Thus salaries will be squeezed downwards, which in the end is what the system wants obviously.