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0x12: Please explain "the only thing". I don't see this; it way more complex than this. To me it seems that the different options+projects is why we have really

by bkor 15y ago

0x12: Please explain "the only thing". I don't see this; it way more complex than this. To me it seems that the different options+projects is why we have really good solutions, even if sometimes some things take a bit longer to be developed. e.g. project a is developed. Design is wrong according to another group, they develop project b, then maybe you get project c. Messy on the short term. Long term, seems only the high quality projects survive.

dextorious 15y ago
I don't see "only the high quality projects" surviving in the long term. Using and watching Linux since 1997, I mostly see a constant, perpetual flux and incohesiveness. And a lot of damn fine projects abandoned. For example, Nautilus (the file manager, in it's original design). ReiserFS. Omega (the unicode alternative TeX implementation). The Fresco windowing system. Enlightenment E17. The Parrot VM. ...
- bkor 15y ago
  Ehr.. Nautilus still exists, it wasn't abandoned. IIRC E17 is used on various phones, Reiser killed someone, Parrot is still under development. Perpetual flux and incohesiveness is too management speak for me. Loads of people who scratch an itch working out in the open. Look inside a big company, pretty much the same thing going on.
  - dextorious 15y ago
    > Nautilus still exists, it wasn't abandoned. Actually it was. Current day Nautilus has little to do with the original scope and functionality of the project as envisioned (and promoted) by Eazel. It's like saying Hurd still exists. Yeah, but hardly anybody uses it and it failed to fulfill what it promised for 25 years. > IIRC E17 is used on various phones Yeah, which all of 5 people use, and one of them is Rasterman. > Reiser killed someone Isn't an often repeated premise of OSS that a project can keep on despite being abandoned by its' leaders? > Parrot is still under development Still in perpetual flux. > Perpetual flux and incohesiveness is too management speak for me. It's also something felt everyday by common people and expert hard core users alike. > Look inside a big company, pretty much the same thing going on. Companies tend not to fuck too much with the flagship programs, revenue streams, and seldom just for the "fun of it". How many times, for example, has the KDE multimedia infrastructure been replaced with something entirely different only for this to happen again?

by bkor 15y ago

dextorious 15y ago

I don't see "only the high quality projects" surviving in the long term. Using and watching Linux since 1997, I mostly see a constant, perpetual flux and incohesiveness. And a lot of damn fine projects abandoned. For example, Nautilus (the file manager, in it's original design). ReiserFS. Omega (the unicode alternative TeX implementation). The Fresco windowing system. Enlightenment E17. The Parrot VM. ...

bkor 15y ago
Ehr.. Nautilus still exists, it wasn't abandoned. IIRC E17 is used on various phones, Reiser killed someone, Parrot is still under development. Perpetual flux and incohesiveness is too management speak for me. Loads of people who scratch an itch working out in the open. Look inside a big company, pretty much the same thing going on.
- dextorious 15y ago
  > Nautilus still exists, it wasn't abandoned. Actually it was. Current day Nautilus has little to do with the original scope and functionality of the project as envisioned (and promoted) by Eazel. It's like saying Hurd still exists. Yeah, but hardly anybody uses it and it failed to fulfill what it promised for 25 years. > IIRC E17 is used on various phones Yeah, which all of 5 people use, and one of them is Rasterman. > Reiser killed someone Isn't an often repeated premise of OSS that a project can keep on despite being abandoned by its' leaders? > Parrot is still under development Still in perpetual flux. > Perpetual flux and incohesiveness is too management speak for me. It's also something felt everyday by common people and expert hard core users alike. > Look inside a big company, pretty much the same thing going on. Companies tend not to fuck too much with the flagship programs, revenue streams, and seldom just for the "fun of it". How many times, for example, has the KDE multimedia infrastructure been replaced with something entirely different only for this to happen again?