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Could you name, say, two more? Reducing your use of heating or AC is the only other similar adjustment I can think of. I don't think 10 such adjustments exist.

jahnu 5y ago
I’ll name the ones I do myself - Reduce heating as you suggested (we have a crisis going on in Europe and I reduced it even more recently) - Drive a little slower - Make sure I check for discounts at the supermarket and plan accordingly - Try to fill the dishwasher optimally - Cook more vegetarian meals - Check used goods online markets before buying new And that’s just a quick list
- electroly 5y ago
  Those go far, far beyond the negligible impact of turning off your devices when you're not using them. Nobody is claiming that it's impossible to save money. We're saying there are a limited number of options with negligible-to-no impact to you. Most of the things you mentioned are absolutely not worth it to me, I'd rather not save the money.
  - jahnu 5y ago
    It not about you It’s about people for whom 300 a year is not negligible For those people the things I listed are worth doing and negligible effort compared to the reward I don’t understand why this is so hard to get
    - jacquesm 5y ago
      Because most people who need to make such adjustments have already made them.
      - jahnu 5y ago
        I'm not sure what your point is. Yes, people are doing the thing I explained from the very start of this conversation. To recap, OP was curious why people would do it for a such a small amount of money and I pointed out, what I incorrectly assumed was non-controversial, that they don't just do one thing they do several and it adds up.
    - electroly 5y ago
      Again, nobody is saying it's impossible to save money. That would be ridiculous. We're saying that there are few low-hanging fruits that have negligible or no impact on your life. The word "negligible" here is applying to the impact on your life by doing the cost-saving thing, not on the dollar amount savings that you get by doing it. Turning off devices when you're not using them is one; you're literally not using it, it doesn't impact you by being off instead of on standby. It's like free money. Switching to a more vegetarian diet is, and I hope this is obvious, much more impactful and more of a life change. Obviously you can save money with life changes.
      - jahnu 5y ago
        I'm not saying you are saying it's impossibe to save money! Please, no straw men. I started this dicussion by making a specific but limited claim that learning about £30/year money saving tips that are easy to adopt is worth it for some people when they learn several and add them up. You are trying somehow to claim that if the tips are not identical in character to turning off devices that my claim is invalid. This makes no sense. Regarding the more vegetarian meals point; No it's not obvious to me that it is life changing. Having more vegetarian meals that it saves you £30/year is about as effortless as it gets. It's far far less effort than turning devices on and off almost every single day compared to maybe 10 times in an entire year to substitute meat with something plant based in a meal. Nothing life changing there. Just prepare a handful of meals little differently.

jahnu 5y ago

I’ll name the ones I do myself - Reduce heating as you suggested (we have a crisis going on in Europe and I reduced it even more recently) - Drive a little slower - Make sure I check for discounts at the supermarket and plan accordingly - Try to fill the dishwasher optimally - Cook more vegetarian meals - Check used goods online markets before buying new And that’s just a quick list

electroly 5y ago
Those go far, far beyond the negligible impact of turning off your devices when you're not using them. Nobody is claiming that it's impossible to save money. We're saying there are a limited number of options with negligible-to-no impact to you. Most of the things you mentioned are absolutely not worth it to me, I'd rather not save the money.
- jahnu 5y ago
  It not about you It’s about people for whom 300 a year is not negligible For those people the things I listed are worth doing and negligible effort compared to the reward I don’t understand why this is so hard to get
  - jacquesm 5y ago
    Because most people who need to make such adjustments have already made them.
    - jahnu 5y ago
      I'm not sure what your point is. Yes, people are doing the thing I explained from the very start of this conversation. To recap, OP was curious why people would do it for a such a small amount of money and I pointed out, what I incorrectly assumed was non-controversial, that they don't just do one thing they do several and it adds up.
  - electroly 5y ago
    Again, nobody is saying it's impossible to save money. That would be ridiculous. We're saying that there are few low-hanging fruits that have negligible or no impact on your life. The word "negligible" here is applying to the impact on your life by doing the cost-saving thing, not on the dollar amount savings that you get by doing it. Turning off devices when you're not using them is one; you're literally not using it, it doesn't impact you by being off instead of on standby. It's like free money. Switching to a more vegetarian diet is, and I hope this is obvious, much more impactful and more of a life change. Obviously you can save money with life changes.
    - jahnu 5y ago
      I'm not saying you are saying it's impossibe to save money! Please, no straw men. I started this dicussion by making a specific but limited claim that learning about £30/year money saving tips that are easy to adopt is worth it for some people when they learn several and add them up. You are trying somehow to claim that if the tips are not identical in character to turning off devices that my claim is invalid. This makes no sense. Regarding the more vegetarian meals point; No it's not obvious to me that it is life changing. Having more vegetarian meals that it saves you £30/year is about as effortless as it gets. It's far far less effort than turning devices on and off almost every single day compared to maybe 10 times in an entire year to substitute meat with something plant based in a meal. Nothing life changing there. Just prepare a handful of meals little differently.