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But why? Imagine your grandmother who knows nothing about computers or tech asking you about GPUs and which programming language is best because she's curious

by warent 4y ago

But why? Imagine your grandmother who knows nothing about computers or tech asking you about GPUs and which programming language is best because she's curious about buying Bitcoin vs investing in Ethereum. For someone who can't tell the difference between a screen saver and a computer virus, the discussion is meaningless, and only the illusion of control exists

SamBam 4y ago
And to extend your analogy, instead of the grandmother talking to a helpful expert, all the information they are given comes from BitCoin salesmen, and she's expected to "do her own research."
- warent 4y ago
  Side effects may include losing all your money, but those side effects are like really really rare
b112 4y ago
"What's and adblocker" - my Grandma. Well, you know a phone book? And, you know how if you want to phone someone, you tend to look up their number in a phone book? "Yes" Well, computers are the same. They only know numbers, they're computers after all, and DNS maps the names you see for websites, to numbers, so computers can find the website. "Uh, OK" The adblocker I am going to install, makes it impossible for the computer to see the numbers for advetisers. It can't find them in its phone book any more. So, no ads! Now grandma understands how DNS works, and what some adblockers do. Some things are not as technically complex as we think they are.
- warent 4y ago
  Maps names of websites? I don't know what that means. Timmy showed me The Amazon and the egg cooker from there worked wonderfully so I don't want an ad blocker.
  - b112 4y ago
    Granmda knew what it meant. She'd been looking up names in the phonebook here whole life, mapping them to numbers. Been doing the same thing for lots of paper databases, like address books, and been using indexes in books too. Not to mention, how the library indexed books in her day. Zero confusion about DNS after I explained urls to her. None.
wheybags 4y ago
I had a sugery for a common issue performed, as it happens, by the ex head of some surgeons union type organisation in my country (Ireland). The established technique has an uncommon but not so uncommon tendency to have issues where you just dont heal properly. I was unlucky and I didn't heal. I spent a year being tended by various nurses and reviews etc etc and when I finally started to research it myself I found there was a new far better surgical method available, but the guy who did my surgery was old and hadn't kept up to date. I found a surgeon who specialised in the new method and I was fully healed and done forever in a couple of months. They might be an expert, but it's your (literal) skin in the game.
donatj 4y ago
This is such a silly metaphor I am going to ignore it and answer the initial question. Why? Because the things I personally value in my life and health are not always aligned with the things doctors try to optimize for. I’ve told the story here a number of times but my tonsils swelled up to the size of grapefruit a number of years ago. After 6 months of steroids and having them drained I wanted them removed. My doctor did not think it was necessary, even though I was living in misery. I ended up just going to a doctor about an hour away and had them out within the week.
- warent 4y ago
  You're abandoning the context of the thread. The original comment you replied to was about how the US Healthcare system should be fixed so that you always know doctors are optimized for your needs
badtake 4y ago
Not everything is “fixable” in health and sometimes this means that there isn’t one “right” choice for treatment. Involving the patient in the decision making process is important because people have preferences for what is right for them and their life and the doctor can act as a well informed partner in care. I have multiple sclerosis. There’s not a cure but there is highly effective medication. There’s also less effective medications. The highly effective stuff is various degrees of immunosuppressive or has a risk of fatal brain infection that is manageable with proper testing and monitoring. The less effective stuff can seem “safer” because it lacks these particular risks. A regular neurologist might not know very much at all and give outdated advice and treatment plans compared to some specialists and for this reason advocating for oneself is hugely important as long term outcomes can be greatly different based on the treatment choices. The fact is that you can’t just let “medicine happen to you” because the person that cares the most about your medical outcomes is you. Obviously this is an extreme example but it’s one of many.

by warent 4y ago

SamBam 4y ago

And to extend your analogy, instead of the grandmother talking to a helpful expert, all the information they are given comes from BitCoin salesmen, and she's expected to "do her own research."

warent 4y ago
Side effects may include losing all your money, but those side effects are like really really rare

b112 4y ago

"What's and adblocker" - my Grandma. Well, you know a phone book? And, you know how if you want to phone someone, you tend to look up their number in a phone book? "Yes" Well, computers are the same. They only know numbers, they're computers after all, and DNS maps the names you see for websites, to numbers, so computers can find the website. "Uh, OK" The adblocker I am going to install, makes it impossible for the computer to see the numbers for advetisers. It can't find them in its phone book any more. So, no ads! Now grandma understands how DNS works, and what some adblockers do. Some things are not as technically complex as we think they are.

warent 4y ago
Maps names of websites? I don't know what that means. Timmy showed me The Amazon and the egg cooker from there worked wonderfully so I don't want an ad blocker.
- b112 4y ago
  Granmda knew what it meant. She'd been looking up names in the phonebook here whole life, mapping them to numbers. Been doing the same thing for lots of paper databases, like address books, and been using indexes in books too. Not to mention, how the library indexed books in her day. Zero confusion about DNS after I explained urls to her. None.

wheybags 4y ago

I had a sugery for a common issue performed, as it happens, by the ex head of some surgeons union type organisation in my country (Ireland). The established technique has an uncommon but not so uncommon tendency to have issues where you just dont heal properly. I was unlucky and I didn't heal. I spent a year being tended by various nurses and reviews etc etc and when I finally started to research it myself I found there was a new far better surgical method available, but the guy who did my surgery was old and hadn't kept up to date. I found a surgeon who specialised in the new method and I was fully healed and done forever in a couple of months. They might be an expert, but it's your (literal) skin in the game.

donatj 4y ago

This is such a silly metaphor I am going to ignore it and answer the initial question. Why? Because the things I personally value in my life and health are not always aligned with the things doctors try to optimize for. I’ve told the story here a number of times but my tonsils swelled up to the size of grapefruit a number of years ago. After 6 months of steroids and having them drained I wanted them removed. My doctor did not think it was necessary, even though I was living in misery. I ended up just going to a doctor about an hour away and had them out within the week.

warent 4y ago
You're abandoning the context of the thread. The original comment you replied to was about how the US Healthcare system should be fixed so that you always know doctors are optimized for your needs

badtake 4y ago

Not everything is “fixable” in health and sometimes this means that there isn’t one “right” choice for treatment. Involving the patient in the decision making process is important because people have preferences for what is right for them and their life and the doctor can act as a well informed partner in care. I have multiple sclerosis. There’s not a cure but there is highly effective medication. There’s also less effective medications. The highly effective stuff is various degrees of immunosuppressive or has a risk of fatal brain infection that is manageable with proper testing and monitoring. The less effective stuff can seem “safer” because it lacks these particular risks. A regular neurologist might not know very much at all and give outdated advice and treatment plans compared to some specialists and for this reason advocating for oneself is hugely important as long term outcomes can be greatly different based on the treatment choices. The fact is that you can’t just let “medicine happen to you” because the person that cares the most about your medical outcomes is you. Obviously this is an extreme example but it’s one of many.