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> read between the … lines.. Is this implying that cocaine is regularly cut with Fentanyl? My understanding is it is mostly added to Heroin.

vmception 5y ago
Yes, cocaine now regularly has fentanyl in it Yes, cocaine users are sometimes receiving heroin Yes, sometimes whatever they receive contain fentanyl Yes, heroin users are also now commonly getting unintentional and intentional doses of fentanyl Yes, fentanyl is being added to other drugs as well Its a mess. I think its time to move on from abstinence only education to treating this like an ongoing bioterrorism attack and taking federal control of the supply chain.
- philwelch 5y ago
  How do you take federal control of the supply chain of illegal drugs being illegally trafficked into the country? I do agree that it seems suspiciously like a deliberate attack, reminiscent of the opium wars.
  - pjc50 5y ago
    > How do you take federal control of the supply chain of illegal drugs being illegally trafficked into the country? Let the CIA do it, again?
    - vmception 5y ago
      Feds will probably end up fighting themselves in some cases yeah
    - philwelch 5y ago
      That might actually work.
    - ncmncm 5y ago
      Give them away free to addicts under treatment, like in Portugal, which has practically eliminated its drug problem. Of course for that you need public health care, too. What a shame that the richest country in the world (at least, for millionaires -- the 95% here are no better off than other places, less so than many) can't afford what every other country with paved roads has.
      - robocat 5y ago
        > the 95% here are no better off than other places Uhhhh, there is a reason why people from other places want a greencard, even if just to work at minimum wage. The 95% in the US surely are better off than the majority of people in the world?
        ncmncm 5y ago
        Just keep telling yourself that. Hint: the overwhelming majority of people in the world hardly ever think about America at all, and then usually only when it is forced on them. You mostly only hear about the few who do, and imagine they are typical.
        ben_w 5y ago
        I’ve visited 20 countries, including the USA for a total of 4 months, and also Kenya (specifically Nairobi). While I would say the average American is in a similar position to the average European (some things better, some things worse), I think if my options were to switch lives with a random American or a random Kenyan, I’d pick American. I agree most people don’t care. I didn’t really want to leave the U.K. — where most of my friends were and still are — when the political situation made me feel it was no longer tenable to stay.
        ncmncm 5y ago
        If Kenya is your benchmark, that says something. That on infant mortality we are trailing former SSRs should be troubling.
    - aaaaaaaaata 5y ago
      Someone convinced you they stopped?
  - vmception 5y ago
    Honestly it leads to a state monopoly on distributing pure drugs Vancouver is doing it Its just a very very nonconsensus view right now, very fringe
philwelch 5y ago
Fentanyl is added to everything these days. I know someone who got some painkillers from a friend and ended up going to the hospital with a fentanyl overdose, and my drug enthusiast friends test their molly for fentanyl.
- nullc 5y ago
  Why? Cross contamination because fentanyl is effective at extremely low doses? or is it a really inexpensive adulterant?
  - philwelch 5y ago
    I don’t know for certain. But if I were to speculate… Which country produces the largest share of fentanyl and the chemical precursors for fentanyl? Which country is one of the primary adversaries and rivals of the United States? Which country has first hand historical knowledge of how the illegal trafficking of narcotics can be used as a weapon to undermine and weaken a country?
    - vmception 5y ago
      They need to ship it to the UK then, straight from Hong Kong for maximum irony and retribution
      - aaaaaaaaata 5y ago
        They do, the UK is absolutely rampant with Asian pills and powders.
    - reducesuffering 5y ago
      What he's referring to is that China is the biggest supplier of fentanyl and equipment to Mexican cartels that traffic it across the US' southern border. That's where most fentanyl comes from. How a country with such strict drug laws (execution) is the world's number one producer of the deadliest drug... doesn't make sense on face value.
  - 5y ago

vmception 5y ago

Yes, cocaine now regularly has fentanyl in it Yes, cocaine users are sometimes receiving heroin Yes, sometimes whatever they receive contain fentanyl Yes, heroin users are also now commonly getting unintentional and intentional doses of fentanyl Yes, fentanyl is being added to other drugs as well Its a mess. I think its time to move on from abstinence only education to treating this like an ongoing bioterrorism attack and taking federal control of the supply chain.

philwelch 5y ago
How do you take federal control of the supply chain of illegal drugs being illegally trafficked into the country? I do agree that it seems suspiciously like a deliberate attack, reminiscent of the opium wars.
- pjc50 5y ago
  > How do you take federal control of the supply chain of illegal drugs being illegally trafficked into the country? Let the CIA do it, again?
  - vmception 5y ago
    Feds will probably end up fighting themselves in some cases yeah
  - philwelch 5y ago
    That might actually work.
  - ncmncm 5y ago
    Give them away free to addicts under treatment, like in Portugal, which has practically eliminated its drug problem. Of course for that you need public health care, too. What a shame that the richest country in the world (at least, for millionaires -- the 95% here are no better off than other places, less so than many) can't afford what every other country with paved roads has.
    - robocat 5y ago
      > the 95% here are no better off than other places Uhhhh, there is a reason why people from other places want a greencard, even if just to work at minimum wage. The 95% in the US surely are better off than the majority of people in the world?
      - ncmncm 5y ago
        Just keep telling yourself that. Hint: the overwhelming majority of people in the world hardly ever think about America at all, and then usually only when it is forced on them. You mostly only hear about the few who do, and imagine they are typical.
        ben_w 5y ago
        I’ve visited 20 countries, including the USA for a total of 4 months, and also Kenya (specifically Nairobi). While I would say the average American is in a similar position to the average European (some things better, some things worse), I think if my options were to switch lives with a random American or a random Kenyan, I’d pick American. I agree most people don’t care. I didn’t really want to leave the U.K. — where most of my friends were and still are — when the political situation made me feel it was no longer tenable to stay.
        ncmncm 5y ago
        If Kenya is your benchmark, that says something. That on infant mortality we are trailing former SSRs should be troubling.
  - aaaaaaaaata 5y ago
    Someone convinced you they stopped?
- vmception 5y ago
  Honestly it leads to a state monopoly on distributing pure drugs Vancouver is doing it Its just a very very nonconsensus view right now, very fringe

philwelch 5y ago

Fentanyl is added to everything these days. I know someone who got some painkillers from a friend and ended up going to the hospital with a fentanyl overdose, and my drug enthusiast friends test their molly for fentanyl.

nullc 5y ago
Why? Cross contamination because fentanyl is effective at extremely low doses? or is it a really inexpensive adulterant?
- philwelch 5y ago
  I don’t know for certain. But if I were to speculate… Which country produces the largest share of fentanyl and the chemical precursors for fentanyl? Which country is one of the primary adversaries and rivals of the United States? Which country has first hand historical knowledge of how the illegal trafficking of narcotics can be used as a weapon to undermine and weaken a country?
  - vmception 5y ago
    They need to ship it to the UK then, straight from Hong Kong for maximum irony and retribution
    - aaaaaaaaata 5y ago
      They do, the UK is absolutely rampant with Asian pills and powders.
  - reducesuffering 5y ago
    What he's referring to is that China is the biggest supplier of fentanyl and equipment to Mexican cartels that traffic it across the US' southern border. That's where most fentanyl comes from. How a country with such strict drug laws (execution) is the world's number one producer of the deadliest drug... doesn't make sense on face value.
- 5y ago