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Practically everything you wrote is conjecture. There is zero evidence DB was a middleman for Russian investors for Trump loans. There is evidence DB was launde
by 0xy 5y ago
Practically everything you wrote is conjecture. There is zero evidence DB was a middleman for Russian investors for Trump loans. There is evidence DB was laundering money for shady Russians, however there is zero evidence any of that is linked to Trump.
- Sakos 5y agoI have no idea how to respond to this quickly without rehashing a dozen articles/reports. What I've stated has been clearly established.
- throwaway4good 5y agoDB is a big bank with plenty of money to loan out without relying on Russian money. Unless some dubious Russians guaranteed the loans to Trump then what is the problem?
- Sakos 5y agoYou're missing the point that no bank wanted to loan Trump money. This was the wealth unit of DB, not DB proper, because they were already having problems getting their money back from Trump. The wealth unit was a way to connect foreign investors and loanees, meaning they didn't have to put up their own money and could avoid regulations around banking loans.
- 0xy 5y agoThe claim that DB's Trump loans had Russian counterparties is unproven speculation. That's the bottom line. There isn't a single piece of evidence to support the claim.
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- vmception 5y agoI always find it interesting how the mere political nature of it makes this benign idea something that needs to be proved. woaaaaahhhhh an investing syndicate filled a large loan facilitated by a broker, shut down anyone looking at who the investors were the word choice of "evidence" is so strange to me. I don't really care, I sell trinkets and ad space to all parties and their fans, I just think what people decide to be polarizing is so comical
- TheOtherHobbes 5y agohttps://www.fastcompany.com/90464228/the-journalist-who-revealed-the-secrets-of-trumps-relationship-with-deutsche-bank https://www.fastcompany.com/90464228/the-journalist-who-reve... https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/12/21/how-russian-money-helped-save-trumps-business/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/12/21/how-russian-money-helpe... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/21/deutsche-bank-that-lent-300m-to-trump-linked-to-russian-money-laundering-scam https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/21/deutsche-bank-...
- 0xy 5y agoNone of those articles back up the points made by the parent comment. It's a very big leap to go from "DB launders money for Russias" to "DB's loans to Trump had Russian counterparties" -- a completely unproven claim. As for Trump receiving Russian money for run-of-the-mill apartment sales, isn't this a giant reach? The customers for those products are traditionally wealthy foreigners. Why is it fundamentally different if he sells an apartment decades ago to a wealthy Russian versus a wealthy Luxembourgian banker? It's such a huge leap. Russians purchased apartments therefore he's backed by the Kremlin decades later? That's extraordinarily hard to believe, considering Trump was a major underdog when he announced and only became a frontrunner after Clinton's "pied piper strategy" elevated him deliberately. [1] Was HRC a Russian asset by providing priceless media attention to the underdog? [1] https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/ https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaig...