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> Investigative journalist Scott Stedman … said Broeksmit “supplied me and other journalists with Deutsche Bank documents that highlighted the bank’s deep Russi

> Investigative journalist Scott Stedman … said Broeksmit “supplied me and other journalists with Deutsche Bank documents that highlighted the bank’s deep Russia connections. It is very sad. I don’t suspect foul play. Val struggled with drugs on and off. Waiting on further info.” Stay away from sources of fentanyl folks Anybody 45 and under randomly dying these days is most likely from exposure to fentanyl. Doesnt matter what other stuff theyre up to, how much you respect them or if would find it “disrespectful” to say they used certain drugs. Most people arent intentionally using it. https://www.abc12.com/news/fentanyl-number-one-cause-of-death-for-adults-18-45-recent-government-data-says/article_ed0bfe28-5f79-11ec-8aa0-af3f6cbff03c.html https://www.abc12.com/news/fentanyl-number-one-cause-of-deat... Anyway just a PSA. Curious about the toxicology report just like everyone else in the article said, but understanding how it occurs lets you read between the … lines... even when the report comes out.

shaky-carrousel 4y ago
Could you please add a link to a more reputable website? This one blocks European users because GDPR, which in this day and age means the site is either malicious or a misinformation cesspool.
deknos 4y ago
i don't want to attack the person, but calling the death of a person, if it would be a murder/assasination, foulplay makes me sad in any case, even if it was not a murder and it was selfimposed. that guy in the park surely had other goals in his live most of the time than dying in a park. i hope he can rest in piece.
alphabettsy 4y ago
True. Many people use Fentanyl intentionally also though both prescribed and not.
reducesuffering 4y ago
Every single street pill or powder is suspect enough to just be rolling dice. Probably dark web too. People think they're taking Xanax...
- oboes 4y ago
  In many countries (at least in Europe) there are harm reduction associations that can test the product for you at no cost and anonymously. In some cases you can even ask for a GC-MS, which is accurate enough to distinguish even between closely related substances (such as Xanax/alprazolam and other benzodiazepines).
  - vmception 4y ago
    Major US cities have that too, depending on political leaning, but it doesnt really match the user experience People are doing lines at parties, and more commonly getting in trouble when they use their supply at home by themselves These services rely on compulsive addicts to walk in, which is often people living on the street searching for the next hit There are also personal use test kits to help with this But at this point I’m thinking everyone should have a stash of narcan for resuscitation. Seems like an invisible distant and absurd thing but people are dying, number one killer 18-45 in US… and prevalance and education of narcan helps prevent the death. No different than defibrillators everywhere and fire extuingishers everywhere.
thaumasiotes 4y ago
> I don’t suspect foul play. It's at least worth considering reading this as "I don't want to be found dead in a park".
_hl_ 4y ago
> Curious about the toxicology report The report alone wouldn't be sufficient proof either. You can murder someone with fentanyl.
- vmception 4y ago
  Agreed, and the toxicology report can come back with the presence of a recreational drug that is out of character for their use, masking the reality that they thought they were taking a different drug to begin with, while all options could have been tainted with fentanyl Or nothing at all. Or there was foul play. Or there was foul play without the use of drugs. Or fentanyl use was intentional. Hoping to rule somethings out!
  - killjoywashere 4y ago
    This is why autopsies are a thing. The LA County Coroner is one of the biggest in the nation and their forensic pathologists have written a number of textbooks on various subtopics. Generally speaking, forensic pathologists follow a standard process specifically to make sure they avoid missing things. That said, drugs on board has a high rate of being classified as an accident. Not suicide unless they left a note; not homicide unless there’s a suspect or there’s something about the situation that precludes it (e.g. opiates on board but also gunshot to the back of the head).
    - DennisP 4y ago
      Doesn't seem like any autopsy would pick up red flags if a killer just slipped some fentanyl into a victim's drink, especially if the victim had any history of drug use at all.
      - newbamboo 4y ago
        It’s LA so you can just step on a dirty needle. They’re scattered liberally.
        4y ago
jollybean 4y ago
If that's true then it's a perfectly easy thing for someone wanting to take him out to take advantage of. It's like a 'freebie' cover.
qubex 4y ago
> * Anybody 45 and under randomly dying these days is most likely from exposure to fentanyl.* This might be applicable in some places (particularly in the USA) where the opioid crisis is in full swing, but it’s a very rare event outside those locations.
- vmception 4y ago
  Sure, for anybody else that didn't connect that this was a US death in a US city and my corroborating source was from a US news publication citing a US government agency with US data that specifically counted US deaths, you can rest easy now. In all seriousness, it is interesting to think about the idea that the supply chain pollution is primarily affecting US, sounds like we can still go wild in Europe.
  - jason0597 4y ago
    I think some room for interpretation exists. This is Deutsche Bank after all, a German bank. For all I knew it could have been an Austrian whistleblower
    - vmception 4y ago
      there’s an article above the comment section
  - wallaBBB 4y ago
    Supply chain pollution is affection everyone, but fentanyl is really not a thing outside of US, which is what the top comment was warning about.
    - atdrummond 4y ago
      This isn’t true. Canada has a far larger fentanyl problem (as a proportion of the drugs used, not in gross consumption) - particularly in BC.
      - 4y ago
babyshake 4y ago
> read between the … lines.. Is this implying that cocaine is regularly cut with Fentanyl? My understanding is it is mostly added to Heroin.
- vmception 4y ago
  Yes, cocaine now regularly has fentanyl in it Yes, cocaine users are sometimes receiving heroin Yes, sometimes whatever they receive contain fentanyl Yes, heroin users are also now commonly getting unintentional and intentional doses of fentanyl Yes, fentanyl is being added to other drugs as well Its a mess. I think its time to move on from abstinence only education to treating this like an ongoing bioterrorism attack and taking federal control of the supply chain.
  - philwelch 4y ago
    How do you take federal control of the supply chain of illegal drugs being illegally trafficked into the country? I do agree that it seems suspiciously like a deliberate attack, reminiscent of the opium wars.
    - pjc50 4y ago
      > How do you take federal control of the supply chain of illegal drugs being illegally trafficked into the country? Let the CIA do it, again?
      - vmception 4y ago
        Feds will probably end up fighting themselves in some cases yeah
      - philwelch 4y ago
        That might actually work.
      - ncmncm 4y ago
        Give them away free to addicts under treatment, like in Portugal, which has practically eliminated its drug problem. Of course for that you need public health care, too. What a shame that the richest country in the world (at least, for millionaires -- the 95% here are no better off than other places, less so than many) can't afford what every other country with paved roads has.
ostenning 4y ago
Can someone please explain to me why "relatively" safe drugs are being cut with Fentanyl, a drug which seems to be killing a lot of people? To me it seems counter-intuitive to kill unsuspecting users of party drugs. If the dealers/manufacturers wanted to make more money, why not just cut it with baking soda?
- brailsafe 4y ago
  I imagine it's cheaper to produce at least the same result of whatever you're cutting it into.
- Anderkent 4y ago
  presumably it gets you a better effect than cutting with nonactive substances, meaning the users buy from you instead of the 'weak shit' that's cut with soda
- alar44 4y ago
- jmyeet 4y ago
  So we all know that continued use increases your resistance to drugs. With opiates in particular this can reach the point of there being a very small window between chasing the high you want and a lethal dose. You'll note that most opiate deaths are of experienced users for this reason. Being stepped on exacerbates this because you really don't know how much of the drug is actually there. Fentanyl has become a relatively cheap way of upping the strength of whatever opiate you're selling. It used to be that no one knew how to illegally make fentanyl. Those dogs are long gone. But there's another aspect to this: if someone overdoses (even dies) from something you as a drug dealer have sold then (as dark as it sounds) that's actually good marketing. That means you have the good stuff. It's shown to increase demand. The moral of the story is don't get addicted to opiates.
  - ostenning 4y ago
    But I'm hearing cases of drugs like Cocaine being cut with it, I would say the desired effect of cocaine and opiates is somewhat diametrically opposed
AzzieElbab 4y ago
Pretty much all illegal drugs that can be laced with fentanyl are laced with fentanyl nowadays. Staying away from it is easier said than done
- ahtihn 4y ago
  Staying away from illegal drugs is very easy unless you're already addicted.
dopidopHN 4y ago
There was two confirmed case of weed containing trace of fentanyl where I live.( Deep South of the Us ) My understanding is the bagging facility being un-tidy and fentanyl contamination being easy. Two weeks ago I would have say « that a urban legend »
irrational 4y ago
Wait, how does this happen if you aren’t intentionally using it? Am I about to die from fentanyl overdosing?
- elliekelly 4y ago
  I'm not sure if "exposure" is the right word to use in this context: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/lindseyellefson/fentanyl-accidental-exposure-police https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/lindseyellefson/fentany...
xyzzy21 4y ago
Or Covid vaccine.

shaky-carrousel 4y ago

Could you please add a link to a more reputable website? This one blocks European users because GDPR, which in this day and age means the site is either malicious or a misinformation cesspool.

deknos 4y ago

i don't want to attack the person, but calling the death of a person, if it would be a murder/assasination, foulplay makes me sad in any case, even if it was not a murder and it was selfimposed. that guy in the park surely had other goals in his live most of the time than dying in a park. i hope he can rest in piece.

alphabettsy 4y ago

True. Many people use Fentanyl intentionally also though both prescribed and not.

reducesuffering 4y ago

Every single street pill or powder is suspect enough to just be rolling dice. Probably dark web too. People think they're taking Xanax...

oboes 4y ago
In many countries (at least in Europe) there are harm reduction associations that can test the product for you at no cost and anonymously. In some cases you can even ask for a GC-MS, which is accurate enough to distinguish even between closely related substances (such as Xanax/alprazolam and other benzodiazepines).
- vmception 4y ago
  Major US cities have that too, depending on political leaning, but it doesnt really match the user experience People are doing lines at parties, and more commonly getting in trouble when they use their supply at home by themselves These services rely on compulsive addicts to walk in, which is often people living on the street searching for the next hit There are also personal use test kits to help with this But at this point I’m thinking everyone should have a stash of narcan for resuscitation. Seems like an invisible distant and absurd thing but people are dying, number one killer 18-45 in US… and prevalance and education of narcan helps prevent the death. No different than defibrillators everywhere and fire extuingishers everywhere.

thaumasiotes 4y ago

> I don’t suspect foul play. It's at least worth considering reading this as "I don't want to be found dead in a park".

_hl_ 4y ago

> Curious about the toxicology report The report alone wouldn't be sufficient proof either. You can murder someone with fentanyl.

vmception 4y ago
Agreed, and the toxicology report can come back with the presence of a recreational drug that is out of character for their use, masking the reality that they thought they were taking a different drug to begin with, while all options could have been tainted with fentanyl Or nothing at all. Or there was foul play. Or there was foul play without the use of drugs. Or fentanyl use was intentional. Hoping to rule somethings out!
- killjoywashere 4y ago
  This is why autopsies are a thing. The LA County Coroner is one of the biggest in the nation and their forensic pathologists have written a number of textbooks on various subtopics. Generally speaking, forensic pathologists follow a standard process specifically to make sure they avoid missing things. That said, drugs on board has a high rate of being classified as an accident. Not suicide unless they left a note; not homicide unless there’s a suspect or there’s something about the situation that precludes it (e.g. opiates on board but also gunshot to the back of the head).
  - DennisP 4y ago
    Doesn't seem like any autopsy would pick up red flags if a killer just slipped some fentanyl into a victim's drink, especially if the victim had any history of drug use at all.
    - newbamboo 4y ago
      It’s LA so you can just step on a dirty needle. They’re scattered liberally.
      - 4y ago

jollybean 4y ago

If that's true then it's a perfectly easy thing for someone wanting to take him out to take advantage of. It's like a 'freebie' cover.

qubex 4y ago

> * Anybody 45 and under randomly dying these days is most likely from exposure to fentanyl.* This might be applicable in some places (particularly in the USA) where the opioid crisis is in full swing, but it’s a very rare event outside those locations.

vmception 4y ago
Sure, for anybody else that didn't connect that this was a US death in a US city and my corroborating source was from a US news publication citing a US government agency with US data that specifically counted US deaths, you can rest easy now. In all seriousness, it is interesting to think about the idea that the supply chain pollution is primarily affecting US, sounds like we can still go wild in Europe.
- jason0597 4y ago
  I think some room for interpretation exists. This is Deutsche Bank after all, a German bank. For all I knew it could have been an Austrian whistleblower
  - vmception 4y ago
    there’s an article above the comment section
- wallaBBB 4y ago
  Supply chain pollution is affection everyone, but fentanyl is really not a thing outside of US, which is what the top comment was warning about.
  - atdrummond 4y ago
    This isn’t true. Canada has a far larger fentanyl problem (as a proportion of the drugs used, not in gross consumption) - particularly in BC.
    - 4y ago

babyshake 4y ago

> read between the … lines.. Is this implying that cocaine is regularly cut with Fentanyl? My understanding is it is mostly added to Heroin.

vmception 4y ago
Yes, cocaine now regularly has fentanyl in it Yes, cocaine users are sometimes receiving heroin Yes, sometimes whatever they receive contain fentanyl Yes, heroin users are also now commonly getting unintentional and intentional doses of fentanyl Yes, fentanyl is being added to other drugs as well Its a mess. I think its time to move on from abstinence only education to treating this like an ongoing bioterrorism attack and taking federal control of the supply chain.
- philwelch 4y ago
  How do you take federal control of the supply chain of illegal drugs being illegally trafficked into the country? I do agree that it seems suspiciously like a deliberate attack, reminiscent of the opium wars.
  - pjc50 4y ago
    > How do you take federal control of the supply chain of illegal drugs being illegally trafficked into the country? Let the CIA do it, again?
    - vmception 4y ago
      Feds will probably end up fighting themselves in some cases yeah
    - philwelch 4y ago
      That might actually work.
    - ncmncm 4y ago
      Give them away free to addicts under treatment, like in Portugal, which has practically eliminated its drug problem. Of course for that you need public health care, too. What a shame that the richest country in the world (at least, for millionaires -- the 95% here are no better off than other places, less so than many) can't afford what every other country with paved roads has.

ostenning 4y ago

Can someone please explain to me why "relatively" safe drugs are being cut with Fentanyl, a drug which seems to be killing a lot of people? To me it seems counter-intuitive to kill unsuspecting users of party drugs. If the dealers/manufacturers wanted to make more money, why not just cut it with baking soda?

brailsafe 4y ago
I imagine it's cheaper to produce at least the same result of whatever you're cutting it into.
Anderkent 4y ago
presumably it gets you a better effect than cutting with nonactive substances, meaning the users buy from you instead of the 'weak shit' that's cut with soda
alar44 4y ago
jmyeet 4y ago
So we all know that continued use increases your resistance to drugs. With opiates in particular this can reach the point of there being a very small window between chasing the high you want and a lethal dose. You'll note that most opiate deaths are of experienced users for this reason. Being stepped on exacerbates this because you really don't know how much of the drug is actually there. Fentanyl has become a relatively cheap way of upping the strength of whatever opiate you're selling. It used to be that no one knew how to illegally make fentanyl. Those dogs are long gone. But there's another aspect to this: if someone overdoses (even dies) from something you as a drug dealer have sold then (as dark as it sounds) that's actually good marketing. That means you have the good stuff. It's shown to increase demand. The moral of the story is don't get addicted to opiates.
- ostenning 4y ago
  But I'm hearing cases of drugs like Cocaine being cut with it, I would say the desired effect of cocaine and opiates is somewhat diametrically opposed

AzzieElbab 4y ago

Pretty much all illegal drugs that can be laced with fentanyl are laced with fentanyl nowadays. Staying away from it is easier said than done

ahtihn 4y ago
Staying away from illegal drugs is very easy unless you're already addicted.

dopidopHN 4y ago

There was two confirmed case of weed containing trace of fentanyl where I live.( Deep South of the Us ) My understanding is the bagging facility being un-tidy and fentanyl contamination being easy. Two weeks ago I would have say « that a urban legend »

irrational 4y ago

Wait, how does this happen if you aren’t intentionally using it? Am I about to die from fentanyl overdosing?

elliekelly 4y ago
I'm not sure if "exposure" is the right word to use in this context: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/lindseyellefson/fentanyl-accidental-exposure-police https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/lindseyellefson/fentany...

xyzzy21 4y ago

Or Covid vaccine.