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My advice is to ALWAYS turn it off. As soon as you install a new system, turn it off (together with systemd).

josephcsible 5y ago
> turn it off (together with systemd) How practical is just turning off systemd today? I hate it too, but hasn't Red Hat basically strong-armed so many important Linux components into adding a hard-dep on it that your only way of avoiding it is to use a distro purpose-built to (e.g., Devuan)?
- t-3 5y ago
  Systemd is only really required if you want to run gnome or kde easily. It's not an issue otherwise. Probably more trouble than it's worth to replace it in a distro that uses it by default though!
  - Gigachad 5y ago
    I don't think as a user you actually can remove systemd at all. Everything is set up to work with it. Removing systemd would be closer to forking the distro and maintaining it yourself. If you wanted to avoid systemd you would have to pick a distro which doesn't use it.
shp0ngle 5y ago
>As soon as you install a new system, turn it off good advice > together with systemd lol why
- nix23 5y ago
  It's a terrible advice, i really hope he's not a system admin.
  - pkrumins 5y ago
    I run thousands of severs. None of them have SELinux or systemd. It’s banned tech.
    - nix23 5y ago
      Well that just says nothing, it's not a sign for security or quality nor against it. I run around 600 jails (so obviously no systemd (FreeBSD)), but the host for sure has pretty tight MAC policies (and some jails too). What other MAC-System do you use? tomoyo? apparmor?
      - pkrumins 4y ago
        I have to complement your choice of FreeBSD and jails. If I didn’t have a Linux stack, I’d run FreeBSD and jails, too. I wrote my own kernel modules that do exactly what I need in my stack and use case. No need for complicated SELinux, AppArmor or other solutions. I always roll my own solutions from the ground up (usually in a couple of all-nighters).
        nix23 4y ago
        I needed around 5 years to slowly move away from Linux, open/-solaris/omnios/smartos was also in my mind, but...well you probably know the sad story behind it. But FreeBSD really kicks, from firewall to database all the way down, everything FreeBSD ;)
        pkrumins 4y ago
        Yes, I know the story. But what about Illumos?
        nix23 4y ago
        >Illumos Well illumos is just the kernel and userland (bit like BSD without ports/packets), Omnios is a really clean "server-distribution" with illumos at it's core but well same problem, not enough eye's and hand's (aka packets, documentation etc). I decided, that FreeBSD is the "more worry-free" solution for me...and still happy.
- pkrumins 5y ago
  Because we didn’t ask for systemd. We like init scripts that we actually understand.
  - topspin 5y ago
    systemd isn't difficult to understand.
    - pkrumins 4y ago
      10 years into it and I still have no idea how to use it.
Proven 5y ago

> turn it off (together with systemd) How practical is just turning off systemd today? I hate it too, but hasn't Red Hat basically strong-armed so many important Linux components into adding a hard-dep on it that your only way of avoiding it is to use a distro purpose-built to (e.g., Devuan)?

t-3 5y ago
Systemd is only really required if you want to run gnome or kde easily. It's not an issue otherwise. Probably more trouble than it's worth to replace it in a distro that uses it by default though!
- Gigachad 5y ago
  I don't think as a user you actually can remove systemd at all. Everything is set up to work with it. Removing systemd would be closer to forking the distro and maintaining it yourself. If you wanted to avoid systemd you would have to pick a distro which doesn't use it.

shp0ngle 5y ago

>As soon as you install a new system, turn it off good advice > together with systemd lol why

nix23 5y ago
It's a terrible advice, i really hope he's not a system admin.
- pkrumins 5y ago
  I run thousands of severs. None of them have SELinux or systemd. It’s banned tech.
  - nix23 5y ago
    Well that just says nothing, it's not a sign for security or quality nor against it. I run around 600 jails (so obviously no systemd (FreeBSD)), but the host for sure has pretty tight MAC policies (and some jails too). What other MAC-System do you use? tomoyo? apparmor?
    - pkrumins 4y ago
      I have to complement your choice of FreeBSD and jails. If I didn’t have a Linux stack, I’d run FreeBSD and jails, too. I wrote my own kernel modules that do exactly what I need in my stack and use case. No need for complicated SELinux, AppArmor or other solutions. I always roll my own solutions from the ground up (usually in a couple of all-nighters).
      - nix23 4y ago
        I needed around 5 years to slowly move away from Linux, open/-solaris/omnios/smartos was also in my mind, but...well you probably know the sad story behind it. But FreeBSD really kicks, from firewall to database all the way down, everything FreeBSD ;)
        pkrumins 4y ago
        Yes, I know the story. But what about Illumos?
        nix23 4y ago
        >Illumos Well illumos is just the kernel and userland (bit like BSD without ports/packets), Omnios is a really clean "server-distribution" with illumos at it's core but well same problem, not enough eye's and hand's (aka packets, documentation etc). I decided, that FreeBSD is the "more worry-free" solution for me...and still happy.
pkrumins 5y ago
Because we didn’t ask for systemd. We like init scripts that we actually understand.
- topspin 5y ago
  systemd isn't difficult to understand.
  - pkrumins 4y ago
    10 years into it and I still have no idea how to use it.

Proven 5y ago