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I can say from my current experience on medical leave the following websites start with a dialog saying that they work best in chrome: * my doctors office * my

by olliej 5y ago

I can say from my current experience on medical leave the following websites start with a dialog saying that they work best in chrome: * my doctors office * my specialists office * the hospitals website I also recall encountering such a dialog on at least one other site I had to use, but can’t recall what? These are facilities that people must be able to use. I agree with you, I honestly don’t know why people are thinking about App Store exodus - my experience with web apps in Chrome has been decidedly meh. Maybe that will change as it becomes more viable? Who knows. The problem is people thinking that opening up to different browser will do anything other than secure a chrome monopoly. Google has already demonstrated a willingness to use their dominance in many part of the web to kill off other browsers. On desktops they aggressively push chrome on every user that is not already using chrome. Currently they can’t do that mobile. So currently they can’t just drop everyone else.

jeroenhd 5y ago
That sounds like your medical facilities just have shitty developers, unless they use some kind of Chrome-only feature to deliver their services (idk, maybe webusb to read out medical hardware?). A lack of alternatives won't make them any more competent. If they try to redirect you to Chrome now, you're probably getting a broken interface anyway. They can also just show a popup that says "iOS doesn't support our website, open the website on your desktop instead" if they wanted to exclude mobile Safari at the moment. The stuff I make isn't tested on Safari because there's no free way to test in it (even Microsoft provides free VMs for testing the browser) and there are no cross platform versions of Safari (WebKit and Safari aren't comparable in either usage stats or feature support). Maybe Apple will change their minds once they need to care about mobile browser compatibility, though I doubt it. Google can already push Chrome on iOS. They have their own little skin over Safari like all the other browser vendors that includes all kinds of Google integrations. There's nothing stopping them from pushing everyone to their browser already. Good luck getting regular users to change the default browser, though.
- olliej 5y ago
  *The majority of developers are “shitty”* The colossal pain of “you must use IE” was caused by: * Sites designed in IE, and thus having unusually munched layout in anything else. E.g. the “standard” is whatever their browser is. * Sites that just gated access on a useragent check (which the above sites were doing, and mercifully was bypassable) Using activex stuff was a problem, and for some super important platforms of the era it was the reason for IE only. The web didn’t become “you must use IE” because of a few bad developers, it became IE only because the majority of developers designed only for the majority of their users. The result was the web filled with sites that didn’t work in other browsers. So, developers already think it’s acceptable to only develop for chrome and preface their site with a “this site is designed for IE” dialog. The developers doing this are not small time firms. Chromes dominance of the browser market shows that google can make people change their default browser. Because google controls a large number of the biggest, and for many, critical, web properties. If that site doesn’t give you features unless you use chrome, or it just flat rejects non-chrome browsers, people will change their defaults. We have the existence proof in two forms: Chromes total dominance of the browser market, and the insane speed of IE6 dying when they stopped supporting it on YouTube and GMail.

by olliej 5y ago

jeroenhd 5y ago

That sounds like your medical facilities just have shitty developers, unless they use some kind of Chrome-only feature to deliver their services (idk, maybe webusb to read out medical hardware?). A lack of alternatives won't make them any more competent. If they try to redirect you to Chrome now, you're probably getting a broken interface anyway. They can also just show a popup that says "iOS doesn't support our website, open the website on your desktop instead" if they wanted to exclude mobile Safari at the moment. The stuff I make isn't tested on Safari because there's no free way to test in it (even Microsoft provides free VMs for testing the browser) and there are no cross platform versions of Safari (WebKit and Safari aren't comparable in either usage stats or feature support). Maybe Apple will change their minds once they need to care about mobile browser compatibility, though I doubt it. Google can already push Chrome on iOS. They have their own little skin over Safari like all the other browser vendors that includes all kinds of Google integrations. There's nothing stopping them from pushing everyone to their browser already. Good luck getting regular users to change the default browser, though.

olliej 5y ago
*The majority of developers are “shitty”* The colossal pain of “you must use IE” was caused by: * Sites designed in IE, and thus having unusually munched layout in anything else. E.g. the “standard” is whatever their browser is. * Sites that just gated access on a useragent check (which the above sites were doing, and mercifully was bypassable) Using activex stuff was a problem, and for some super important platforms of the era it was the reason for IE only. The web didn’t become “you must use IE” because of a few bad developers, it became IE only because the majority of developers designed only for the majority of their users. The result was the web filled with sites that didn’t work in other browsers. So, developers already think it’s acceptable to only develop for chrome and preface their site with a “this site is designed for IE” dialog. The developers doing this are not small time firms. Chromes dominance of the browser market shows that google can make people change their default browser. Because google controls a large number of the biggest, and for many, critical, web properties. If that site doesn’t give you features unless you use chrome, or it just flat rejects non-chrome browsers, people will change their defaults. We have the existence proof in two forms: Chromes total dominance of the browser market, and the insane speed of IE6 dying when they stopped supporting it on YouTube and GMail.