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Why can we do both? 1. Make it possible for HS students who are interested in Calculus to take the course under the instruction from a college profess on the h

Why can we do both? 1. Make it possible for HS students who are interested in Calculus to take the course under the instruction from a college profess on the high school campus. That way it would be set up for students to get college credit for the class and they would not need to travel to a college campus or deal with the AP exam system. 2. Make it possible for HS students who are not interested (Yet) or at all to graduate with out taking the class. Lots of student are ready for Calculus until college anyway. No need to force them on a single path IMO.

dymk 4y ago
Probably the optics that will ensue - Our public schools seem intent on making sure that to ensure everybody is as achieved as everyone else, but rather than improving education for the bottom percentile, they'll simply remove the advanced stuff for the top percentile.
- 0000011111 4y ago
  Fortuity there are free options for good online instruction available to everyone in the world with youtube access. https://www.khanacademy.org/math/ap-calculus-ab https://www.khanacademy.org/math/ap-calculus-ab When we focus narrowly on what brick and mortar Public HS should and should not be teaching in regards to math curium we sideline all the pathways for learning available outside of this bureaucratic model. Folks in most places in the United States a least can check out a Chromebook from a local library and use their free internet to access this information.
  - dymk 4y ago
    I don't think it's reasonable to expect some kid to sit through their algebra class, and then go home and take a self-directed calculus class at home. Certainly only the kids who are hyper-math-ers are going to do that in the first place, and we miss out on the kids who would have taken calc had it simply been offered. Highschoolers fork over swaths of their day to the public education system already. Let's try to not waste any more of their time.
    - caddemon 4y ago
      Yeah this is a huge part of it. It's one thing to say "we don't have the resources for high achievers", but it's a million times worse to force them through a shit curriculum because we don't want to acknowledge our school system is largely glorified baby sitting. Especially for kids from poorer backgrounds it is not easy to just sit on Khan Academy after school. If they can't teach leveled classes they should let kids test out of certain classes, and spend time in a semi-supervised study hall with those free resources instead. But it's not about resources here, or at least that isn't the main argument they're giving. The mere existence of students that can test out of math is apparently detrimental to others. This seems like over the top sheltering to me.
dfdz 4y ago
> 249,871 High School Mathematics Teachers in USA [1] > 5,972 Math Professors in USA [2] 1. There are simply not enough college math professors for this to work. [1] https://www.zippia.com/high-school-mathematics-teacher-jobs/demographics/ https://www.zippia.com/high-school-mathematics-teacher-jobs/... [2] https://www.zippia.com/math-professor-jobs/demographics/ https://www.zippia.com/math-professor-jobs/demographics/
s1artibartfast 4y ago
My high school did exactly that in the 2000s. The local Community College teacher drove to the high school and taught a class. You got high school credit and college credit if you payed the $50 community College enrollment. No ap test required. Students could also take additional ge's at college outside of school hours, and I entered University with about 80 credits

dymk 4y ago

Probably the optics that will ensue - Our public schools seem intent on making sure that to ensure everybody is as achieved as everyone else, but rather than improving education for the bottom percentile, they'll simply remove the advanced stuff for the top percentile.

0000011111 4y ago
Fortuity there are free options for good online instruction available to everyone in the world with youtube access. https://www.khanacademy.org/math/ap-calculus-ab https://www.khanacademy.org/math/ap-calculus-ab When we focus narrowly on what brick and mortar Public HS should and should not be teaching in regards to math curium we sideline all the pathways for learning available outside of this bureaucratic model. Folks in most places in the United States a least can check out a Chromebook from a local library and use their free internet to access this information.
- dymk 4y ago
  I don't think it's reasonable to expect some kid to sit through their algebra class, and then go home and take a self-directed calculus class at home. Certainly only the kids who are hyper-math-ers are going to do that in the first place, and we miss out on the kids who would have taken calc had it simply been offered. Highschoolers fork over swaths of their day to the public education system already. Let's try to not waste any more of their time.
  - caddemon 4y ago
    Yeah this is a huge part of it. It's one thing to say "we don't have the resources for high achievers", but it's a million times worse to force them through a shit curriculum because we don't want to acknowledge our school system is largely glorified baby sitting. Especially for kids from poorer backgrounds it is not easy to just sit on Khan Academy after school. If they can't teach leveled classes they should let kids test out of certain classes, and spend time in a semi-supervised study hall with those free resources instead. But it's not about resources here, or at least that isn't the main argument they're giving. The mere existence of students that can test out of math is apparently detrimental to others. This seems like over the top sheltering to me.

dfdz 4y ago

> 249,871 High School Mathematics Teachers in USA [1] > 5,972 Math Professors in USA [2] 1. There are simply not enough college math professors for this to work. [1] https://www.zippia.com/high-school-mathematics-teacher-jobs/demographics/ https://www.zippia.com/high-school-mathematics-teacher-jobs/... [2] https://www.zippia.com/math-professor-jobs/demographics/ https://www.zippia.com/math-professor-jobs/demographics/

s1artibartfast 4y ago

My high school did exactly that in the 2000s. The local Community College teacher drove to the high school and taught a class. You got high school credit and college credit if you payed the $50 community College enrollment. No ap test required. Students could also take additional ge's at college outside of school hours, and I entered University with about 80 credits