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TL;DR: algebra != arithmetic AKA real math doesn't use numbers I'm only good at _arithmetic_ because of making Warhammer 40k armies (true story bro). I'm good

TL;DR: algebra != arithmetic AKA real math doesn't use numbers I'm only good at _arithmetic_ because of making Warhammer 40k armies (true story bro). I'm good at _algebra_ because I was taught well, on top of a knack. Speed with basic algebraic operations was very helpful in many places but speed with arithmetic operations has only been helpful in board games. I don't think anyone here would disagree with your point about algebra, but I think a lot of people such as myself would disagree that pre-K memorization of arithmetic helps with algebra later.

frostburg 4y ago
Performing a bunch of calculations for tabletop wargaming is basically the same as learning multiplication tables and solving related problem sets. It should help every time that for example you have to simplify a polynomial involving fractions and similar operations. As I stated in another post, I don't know when it is neurologically ideal to learn arithmetics, it seems something that would be important to study carefully (personally I learnt before grade school, when I was 3-4 years old, but I didn't learn to read until I was 6, something that is often taught earlier).
texaslonghorn5 4y ago
Algebra does use numbers. I learned to move the numbers to one side and the variables to the other. 10x+7 = -2x+31 Move 7 to the other side (picking up a minus sign) 10x = -2x + 31 - 7 = -2x + 24 Move -2x to the other side (flipping sign) 12x = 24 Recover 12*2 = 24 via memorization, quick division (though not long division), or whatever method Therefore, x = 2. Then I drew a square and was done.
- snvzz 4y ago
  >Then I drew a square and was done. I don't get this part. You mean to highlight the end result? In that case, it would, most of the time, be a rectangle (or try to be).
  - texaslonghorn5 4y ago
    I was joking, I meant the QED box.
    - snvzz 4y ago
      I know about QED, but I am not familiar with the concept of "QED box". A cursory web search yielded nothing.
      - ludwigschubert 4y ago
        It’s a symbol that goes by many names: the tombstone, end-of-proof, or Q.E.D. "∎"
        snvzz 4y ago
        Interesting. I wasn't familiar with this, despite being a graduate. Its use might depend wildly on where.
jeffbee 4y ago
But strong arithmetic fundamentals are absolutely necessary for strong algebra. I've watched kids struggle with basic algebra because when they don't instantly recognize that 7x8=56, they also don't recognize that 7zx8z=56z(edit: squared). Edit: thanks to the reply; HN ate my superscript 2. Apparently it doesn't like the unicode multiplication x, either: × ² ?
- texaslonghorn5 4y ago
  Good point ... however, 7z*8z=56z^2.
- RangerScience 4y ago
  Hmm. Alright, I can see solid arithmetic being good for introducing the concept of a variable... ...but the only time I ever saw significant numbers when actually doing math was in toy problems that deliberately chose weird, big coefficients, where the arithmetic part was by far the least significant.

frostburg 4y ago

Performing a bunch of calculations for tabletop wargaming is basically the same as learning multiplication tables and solving related problem sets. It should help every time that for example you have to simplify a polynomial involving fractions and similar operations. As I stated in another post, I don't know when it is neurologically ideal to learn arithmetics, it seems something that would be important to study carefully (personally I learnt before grade school, when I was 3-4 years old, but I didn't learn to read until I was 6, something that is often taught earlier).

texaslonghorn5 4y ago

Algebra does use numbers. I learned to move the numbers to one side and the variables to the other. 10x+7 = -2x+31 Move 7 to the other side (picking up a minus sign) 10x = -2x + 31 - 7 = -2x + 24 Move -2x to the other side (flipping sign) 12x = 24 Recover 12*2 = 24 via memorization, quick division (though not long division), or whatever method Therefore, x = 2. Then I drew a square and was done.

snvzz 4y ago
>Then I drew a square and was done. I don't get this part. You mean to highlight the end result? In that case, it would, most of the time, be a rectangle (or try to be).
- texaslonghorn5 4y ago
  I was joking, I meant the QED box.
  - snvzz 4y ago
    I know about QED, but I am not familiar with the concept of "QED box". A cursory web search yielded nothing.
    - ludwigschubert 4y ago
      It’s a symbol that goes by many names: the tombstone, end-of-proof, or Q.E.D. "∎"
      - snvzz 4y ago
        Interesting. I wasn't familiar with this, despite being a graduate. Its use might depend wildly on where.

jeffbee 4y ago

But strong arithmetic fundamentals are absolutely necessary for strong algebra. I've watched kids struggle with basic algebra because when they don't instantly recognize that 7x8=56, they also don't recognize that 7zx8z=56z(edit: squared). Edit: thanks to the reply; HN ate my superscript 2. Apparently it doesn't like the unicode multiplication x, either: × ² ?

texaslonghorn5 4y ago
Good point ... however, 7z*8z=56z^2.
RangerScience 4y ago
Hmm. Alright, I can see solid arithmetic being good for introducing the concept of a variable... ...but the only time I ever saw significant numbers when actually doing math was in toy problems that deliberately chose weird, big coefficients, where the arithmetic part was by far the least significant.