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I don't understand why people don't reject their employment contracts when they include this sort of dumb shit. An employment contract is a negotiation.

kurige 15y ago
Maybe... they want a job and need the money? Not everybody here at HN seems to realize that negotiation is not always appropriate when your first priority is to get a job. Thankfully I've never been in that sort of situation, but I've certainly been desperate enough in the past where I would have happily signed if it didn't look like they would be willing to "bend the rules" for me.
- 32321215 15y ago
  Or maybe they just love the job and think that the legal dept is a dick but that does not overshadow their love of the work being done at this company.
bmelton 15y ago
I signed a similar clause, and while I probably could have balked and gone elsewhere, it is literally the only aspect of my employment that I don't like. The people I work with are brilliant (which I knew going in), I am paid very fairly, my bonuses are tied directly to my personal performance, I have flexible hours, and complete autonomy to do whatever I need to get my job done. If I _need_ to purchase a $10,000 server to do my job, I just buy one and expense it at the end of the month. I _might_ have to explain the need when someone sees the expense, but that's par for the course. If I need to buy a USB drive to get my work done, or a relevant book, nobody will bat an eye at it. Also, I haven't chanced it, but I'm guessing that my employer would only exercise control if I built something related or tangential to our core product. If I made an IOS game, I'm pretty sure I get to keep it... but if I build a widget that makes the support or administration of our core product more efficient to use, I'm guessing I'd have a hard time starting my own business around it without my current employer pulling out the lawyers.
- kbutler 15y ago
  Better check that guess before relying on it.

kurige 15y ago

Maybe... they want a job and need the money? Not everybody here at HN seems to realize that negotiation is not always appropriate when your first priority is to get a job. Thankfully I've never been in that sort of situation, but I've certainly been desperate enough in the past where I would have happily signed if it didn't look like they would be willing to "bend the rules" for me.

32321215 15y ago
Or maybe they just love the job and think that the legal dept is a dick but that does not overshadow their love of the work being done at this company.

bmelton 15y ago

I signed a similar clause, and while I probably could have balked and gone elsewhere, it is literally the only aspect of my employment that I don't like. The people I work with are brilliant (which I knew going in), I am paid very fairly, my bonuses are tied directly to my personal performance, I have flexible hours, and complete autonomy to do whatever I need to get my job done. If I _need_ to purchase a $10,000 server to do my job, I just buy one and expense it at the end of the month. I _might_ have to explain the need when someone sees the expense, but that's par for the course. If I need to buy a USB drive to get my work done, or a relevant book, nobody will bat an eye at it. Also, I haven't chanced it, but I'm guessing that my employer would only exercise control if I built something related or tangential to our core product. If I made an IOS game, I'm pretty sure I get to keep it... but if I build a widget that makes the support or administration of our core product more efficient to use, I'm guessing I'd have a hard time starting my own business around it without my current employer pulling out the lawyers.

kbutler 15y ago
Better check that guess before relying on it.