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> rapidly increasing battery capacity and demand That is solely and utterly because of Tesla. The reason for the demand was to build electric cars which Tesla

by oxplot 4y ago

> rapidly increasing battery capacity and demand That is solely and utterly because of Tesla. The reason for the demand was to build electric cars which Tesla and only Tesla, building butt load of BEVs required. Everybody else before Tesla showed up was either making hybrids with minuscule capacity requirement or low range BEVs in low volumes. > There are also a lot of small-time car manufacturers, with quite a few specializing on electric vehicles even. Again, all because or Tesla. They are all riding on Tesla’s success. Why do you think Rivian IPO was greater than century old car makers marker cap making multi million number of vehicles a year where Rivian made none?!! Tesla. > there would most likely be another company filling this space right now That is a pointless statement you can say about anyone at any time in history which is to say nothing. You can’t go back in time and let this play out by someone else. Elon is the one who did all this and we’re stuck with this history.

gigel82 4y ago
He didn't even found Tesla, he acquired a ready-made idea / plan and just poured his (daddy's African mine) money. I'm very concerned with this cult of Elon...
- oxplot 4y ago
  > He didn't even found Tesla What's your point? Any dimwit with a couple thousand dollars can found a company and register a trademark. > he acquired a ready-made idea / plan Plans and ideas are aplenty. If I got a dime for every time someone said they had an idea for an app at a dinner party, I'd be a billionaire by now. > just poured his (daddy's African mine) money. He poured all the money he had made from PayPal in which he had poured the money he had made from Zip2. His "daddy" gave him b/w $20K-$30K. Anyone with half decent credit history can get a loan multiple of that. I don't see millions of Elon Musks out there. And all of the above is less than $400 mil. At the time, Bill Gates, and others had dozens of billions in cash (ie orders of magnitude more money) than Elon. > I'm very concerned with this cult of Elon... I'm very concerned that people don't seem to be able to do a dozen Google searches and get their facts straight and just repeat junk they hear.
Sebb767 4y ago
> That is solely and utterly because of Tesla. The reason for the demand was to build electric cars which Tesla and only Tesla, building butt load of BEVs required. Everybody else before Tesla showed up was either making hybrids with minuscule capacity requirement or low range BEVs in low volumes. And so did Tesla with it's roadster. The model S was/is also a lower-volume, high price luxury car; it's only the model 3 that really changed this. Also, the increased demand was relating to BEVs; some of which is surely due to Teslas offering, but a lot definitely came from recent trends against ICE cars and increasing prices. > Again, all because or Tesla. They are all riding on Tesla’s success. Hard disagree. The Nissan Leaf has been around since 2010, and so have manufacturers like BYD. Just take a look at the list of production BEVs [0] (the smaller manufacturers are actually missing from there, since they're not production vehicles). Tesla wasn't the first to market and didn't create it on its own. I'm not disagreeing that they pushed the field or that they generated a lot of hype, but the market would exist with or without Tesla. Also, sidenote: > Why do you think Rivian IPO was greater than century old car makers marker cap making multi million number of vehicles a year where Rivian made none?!! Tesla. Hype and market insanity, really. > That is a pointless statement you can say about anyone at any time in history which is to say nothing. You can’t go back in time and let this play out by someone else. Elon is the one who did all this and we’re stuck with this history. Which is completely fine. Having Elon is surely a net positive. But attributing all progress in the BEV space and space sector just to him is simply wrong. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_production_battery_electric_vehicles#Outside_the_Chinese_market https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_production_battery_ele...

by oxplot 4y ago

gigel82 4y ago

He didn't even found Tesla, he acquired a ready-made idea / plan and just poured his (daddy's African mine) money. I'm very concerned with this cult of Elon...

oxplot 4y ago
> He didn't even found Tesla What's your point? Any dimwit with a couple thousand dollars can found a company and register a trademark. > he acquired a ready-made idea / plan Plans and ideas are aplenty. If I got a dime for every time someone said they had an idea for an app at a dinner party, I'd be a billionaire by now. > just poured his (daddy's African mine) money. He poured all the money he had made from PayPal in which he had poured the money he had made from Zip2. His "daddy" gave him b/w $20K-$30K. Anyone with half decent credit history can get a loan multiple of that. I don't see millions of Elon Musks out there. And all of the above is less than $400 mil. At the time, Bill Gates, and others had dozens of billions in cash (ie orders of magnitude more money) than Elon. > I'm very concerned with this cult of Elon... I'm very concerned that people don't seem to be able to do a dozen Google searches and get their facts straight and just repeat junk they hear.

Sebb767 4y ago

> That is solely and utterly because of Tesla. The reason for the demand was to build electric cars which Tesla and only Tesla, building butt load of BEVs required. Everybody else before Tesla showed up was either making hybrids with minuscule capacity requirement or low range BEVs in low volumes. And so did Tesla with it's roadster. The model S was/is also a lower-volume, high price luxury car; it's only the model 3 that really changed this. Also, the increased demand was relating to BEVs; some of which is surely due to Teslas offering, but a lot definitely came from recent trends against ICE cars and increasing prices. > Again, all because or Tesla. They are all riding on Tesla’s success. Hard disagree. The Nissan Leaf has been around since 2010, and so have manufacturers like BYD. Just take a look at the list of production BEVs [0] (the smaller manufacturers are actually missing from there, since they're not production vehicles). Tesla wasn't the first to market and didn't create it on its own. I'm not disagreeing that they pushed the field or that they generated a lot of hype, but the market would exist with or without Tesla. Also, sidenote: > Why do you think Rivian IPO was greater than century old car makers marker cap making multi million number of vehicles a year where Rivian made none?!! Tesla. Hype and market insanity, really. > That is a pointless statement you can say about anyone at any time in history which is to say nothing. You can’t go back in time and let this play out by someone else. Elon is the one who did all this and we’re stuck with this history. Which is completely fine. Having Elon is surely a net positive. But attributing all progress in the BEV space and space sector just to him is simply wrong. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_production_battery_electric_vehicles#Outside_the_Chinese_market https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_production_battery_ele...