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There's a popular youtube channel called "Lockpicking Lawyer" where a guy reviews locks. He's an incredibly skilled picker.

giantg2 4y ago
Oh, ok. Maybe I'll check that out. Thanks! At first I was thinking about the legal implications of owning/carrying picks depending on state.
- r90t 4y ago
  After this one, I dont expect any lock to resist him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qV8QKZNFxLw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qV8QKZNFxLw
  - bryanlarsen 4y ago
    He has acknowledged that there are locks he can't pick yet: https://twitter.com/LockPickingLwyr/status/1070118901097381889 https://twitter.com/LockPickingLwyr/status/10701189010973818... IIRC, he has since picked the referenced lock (Abloy Protec), but hasn't yet picked the Abloy Protec2. I imagine most of the locks referenced in the original post are in the same category.
  - tromp 4y ago
    This new Bowley Rotasera Disk Detainer Lock with 9^8 = 4,304,6721 combinations looks like it could resist for some time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ8vvD-z8eQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ8vvD-z8eQ
- Chirael 4y ago
  The U.S. branch of TOOOL (the Open Organization of Lock Pickers) maintains a web page detailing lock picking laws by state: https://toool.us/laws.html https://toool.us/laws.html
  - giantg2 4y ago
    Nice. This looks much more permissive than what I remember from decades ago.
taneq 4y ago
From the few I've watched, most of the time he just seems to end-run around the supposed security of whatever it is. The double-crescent-wrench trick is a classic, "here take this super expensive fancy electronic lock, watch what happens when we just snap it in half with two tools I can fit in my pocket."
- Arrath 4y ago
  How is that in any way a detriment to his content? He's highlighting the utter failure of the product to provide the security it purports to. See: where he opens the small safe with a plain kitchen butter knife Maybe if he was blatantly 'cheating', by using a battery powered sawzall or an oxy-arc torch to just blast off the lock. But he uses more mundane items, like the knife, or two crescent wrenches.
  - camtarn 4y ago
    I think the Ramset videos might count as 'cheating' - there probably aren't many locks designed to take the force of a .22 blank powder charge to the body and survive. And the ones about shooting locks with a 50 cal rifle definitely count ;) Still really interesting to see the limits of lock endurance nevertheless - really underscores the idea that no lock is undefeatable, it's just about how far somebody is willing to go to defeat it.
    - maxerickson 4y ago
      It's $100 at Home Depot, if people are gonna market locks as being tough it's a reasonable test.
      - camtarn 4y ago
        Huh, I had no idea they were that cheap! Always assumed it would be some multi-hundred-$ professional gadget.
  - taneq 4y ago
    I meant that those are my favourite episodes, not that I see them as poor form. If you can trivially bypass an expensive "high security" lock without even bothering to pick it, that's something potential buyers should know! Too many companies focus on the fancy bling parts and ignore the fundamentals of security. It's like that 'secrets of physical pen-testers' talk where half the time they can bypass security with a combination of simple low-tech tools (eg. under-door tools) and creative thinking (eg. blowing cigarette smoke through a door to trigger the sensor). The most efficient way to get through security is to not have to break it at all. This goes for software as well as physical security.

giantg2 4y ago

Oh, ok. Maybe I'll check that out. Thanks! At first I was thinking about the legal implications of owning/carrying picks depending on state.

r90t 4y ago
After this one, I dont expect any lock to resist him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qV8QKZNFxLw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qV8QKZNFxLw
- bryanlarsen 4y ago
  He has acknowledged that there are locks he can't pick yet: https://twitter.com/LockPickingLwyr/status/1070118901097381889 https://twitter.com/LockPickingLwyr/status/10701189010973818... IIRC, he has since picked the referenced lock (Abloy Protec), but hasn't yet picked the Abloy Protec2. I imagine most of the locks referenced in the original post are in the same category.
- tromp 4y ago
  This new Bowley Rotasera Disk Detainer Lock with 9^8 = 4,304,6721 combinations looks like it could resist for some time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ8vvD-z8eQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ8vvD-z8eQ
Chirael 4y ago
The U.S. branch of TOOOL (the Open Organization of Lock Pickers) maintains a web page detailing lock picking laws by state: https://toool.us/laws.html https://toool.us/laws.html
- giantg2 4y ago
  Nice. This looks much more permissive than what I remember from decades ago.

taneq 4y ago

From the few I've watched, most of the time he just seems to end-run around the supposed security of whatever it is. The double-crescent-wrench trick is a classic, "here take this super expensive fancy electronic lock, watch what happens when we just snap it in half with two tools I can fit in my pocket."

Arrath 4y ago
How is that in any way a detriment to his content? He's highlighting the utter failure of the product to provide the security it purports to. See: where he opens the small safe with a plain kitchen butter knife Maybe if he was blatantly 'cheating', by using a battery powered sawzall or an oxy-arc torch to just blast off the lock. But he uses more mundane items, like the knife, or two crescent wrenches.
- camtarn 4y ago
  I think the Ramset videos might count as 'cheating' - there probably aren't many locks designed to take the force of a .22 blank powder charge to the body and survive. And the ones about shooting locks with a 50 cal rifle definitely count ;) Still really interesting to see the limits of lock endurance nevertheless - really underscores the idea that no lock is undefeatable, it's just about how far somebody is willing to go to defeat it.
  - maxerickson 4y ago
    It's $100 at Home Depot, if people are gonna market locks as being tough it's a reasonable test.
    - camtarn 4y ago
      Huh, I had no idea they were that cheap! Always assumed it would be some multi-hundred-$ professional gadget.
- taneq 4y ago
  I meant that those are my favourite episodes, not that I see them as poor form. If you can trivially bypass an expensive "high security" lock without even bothering to pick it, that's something potential buyers should know! Too many companies focus on the fancy bling parts and ignore the fundamentals of security. It's like that 'secrets of physical pen-testers' talk where half the time they can bypass security with a combination of simple low-tech tools (eg. under-door tools) and creative thinking (eg. blowing cigarette smoke through a door to trigger the sensor). The most efficient way to get through security is to not have to break it at all. This goes for software as well as physical security.