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There are a number of good, general purpose languages. What we seem to have less of is good, general purpose developers and good, general purpose and stable li

There are a number of good, general purpose languages. What we seem to have less of is good, general purpose developers and good, general purpose and stable libraries. I have always been frustrated having to debug my tools as well as my project, and I would think others feel the same. Let’s try to stop inventing new wheels and refine those we already have.

typon 5y ago
Stop making languages, start making interactive debuggers, standard libraries ("batteries includes"), autocompletors (LSP support as good as rust-analyzer), dynamic syntax highlighters, linters, autoformatters, visualizers.
ComradePhil 5y ago
No, there aren't very many good programming languages, not very old ones anyway. Imagine everyone was happy with C/C++, we wouldn't have Rust or Nim. Imagine everyone was happy with Java and JavaScript, we wouldn't have Dart or Go. The most used programming languages today are JavaScript, Java, Python, PHP and C++, all of which are shit-tier. We definitely need more languages, not less. If we have good languages, the ecosystems will develop around it... it may take 20 years... but I think it would be so much nicer to see a new much better language have a great stable libraries in 20 years... than people still having to deal with shit-tier languages like python and Java in 20 years.
- armchairhacker 5y ago
  Idk, Java and JavaScript (as TypeScript) aren’t actually that bad. Yeah Java loves OOP and verbose design patterns, but it’s gotten a lot better with functional programming, syntax sugar, and IDE support making it much less verbose. JavaScript has some weird quirks but with strict TypeScript, a good linter, and ES2020+ features, you can “almost” avoid them. Python and PHP are fine if you’re only using them in small projects. I agree though, if you have a decently large or performant project, or one that may scale, you should pick a different language. And C++ is just terrible and should be deprecated/replaced by Go and Rust.
  - xigoi 5y ago
    Having closures doesn't make functional programming. One important aspect, which Java lacks, is values being immutable by default.
- mbrodersen 5y ago
  Not so fast. JavaScript/C++/Python/Java are world class Champions. Having out-competed and destroyed literally thousands of competing languages. They are the battle hardened, scared veterans of years of battles. And they are still standing strong in the middle of a field of language corpses, taking on all competitors. Don’t assume that you know what it takes for a language to be a winner. Especially if you think the Champion languages that have survived 20+ years of fierce hard battle are “shitty”.

typon 5y ago

Stop making languages, start making interactive debuggers, standard libraries ("batteries includes"), autocompletors (LSP support as good as rust-analyzer), dynamic syntax highlighters, linters, autoformatters, visualizers.

ComradePhil 5y ago

No, there aren't very many good programming languages, not very old ones anyway. Imagine everyone was happy with C/C++, we wouldn't have Rust or Nim. Imagine everyone was happy with Java and JavaScript, we wouldn't have Dart or Go. The most used programming languages today are JavaScript, Java, Python, PHP and C++, all of which are shit-tier. We definitely need more languages, not less. If we have good languages, the ecosystems will develop around it... it may take 20 years... but I think it would be so much nicer to see a new much better language have a great stable libraries in 20 years... than people still having to deal with shit-tier languages like python and Java in 20 years.

armchairhacker 5y ago
Idk, Java and JavaScript (as TypeScript) aren’t actually that bad. Yeah Java loves OOP and verbose design patterns, but it’s gotten a lot better with functional programming, syntax sugar, and IDE support making it much less verbose. JavaScript has some weird quirks but with strict TypeScript, a good linter, and ES2020+ features, you can “almost” avoid them. Python and PHP are fine if you’re only using them in small projects. I agree though, if you have a decently large or performant project, or one that may scale, you should pick a different language. And C++ is just terrible and should be deprecated/replaced by Go and Rust.
- xigoi 5y ago
  Having closures doesn't make functional programming. One important aspect, which Java lacks, is values being immutable by default.
mbrodersen 5y ago
Not so fast. JavaScript/C++/Python/Java are world class Champions. Having out-competed and destroyed literally thousands of competing languages. They are the battle hardened, scared veterans of years of battles. And they are still standing strong in the middle of a field of language corpses, taking on all competitors. Don’t assume that you know what it takes for a language to be a winner. Especially if you think the Champion languages that have survived 20+ years of fierce hard battle are “shitty”.