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I totally get why you would want these features. But why not just use Ubuntu if you want them? No OS should try to emulate everything that other Operating Syst

by lwkl 4y ago

I totally get why you would want these features. But why not just use Ubuntu if you want them? No OS should try to emulate everything that other Operating Systems do well. You can‘t make a highly opinionated OS like macOS highly customizable without compromising the initial vision. The same is true the other way around. MacOS allows for a surprising customizability through third-party apps and I personally think this is a great solution. It hides the complexity in a way that makes it invisible to users that would be confused by additional option and allows them to get customization as an app that is supported by a third-party dev. I personally think Windows is what you get if you want to be macOS and Linux. I‘m financing my studies by supporting MS365 instances and I don‘t think it works all too well. While I like the new scripting capabilities, the UI definitely got more confusing since the Windows 7 days. TLDR: I personally believe diversity is good for the OS market, not every OS has to accommodate every type of user.

edent 4y ago
> I totally get why you would want these features. But why not just use Ubuntu if you want them? Because, as I say in the post, I have to use one for work. I agree that diversity is good but there are some things - like basic accessibility - which should be non-negotiable. And they certainly shouldn't be paid-for addons.
- latexr 4y ago
  > there are some things - like basic accessibility - which should be non-negotiable. There are a lot of legitimate reasons to criticise Apple, but I disagree that lack of accessibility options is one of them. They natively support tons of accessibility features, and as far as I’m aware people with disabilities often choose Apple products precisely because they excel at it.
  - projektfu 4y ago
    This was interesting. I was recently setting up a mac with Catalina preinstalled and no working monitor so I got the opportunity to use voiceover. It isn't very helpful to someone who hasn't been using it forever. Some issues: 1. Doesn't describe the screen well. Either "you are on a button" or will read everything with no positional context. 2. Doesn't tell you when the screen changes. You press "continue" and it says "you are on a button" 3. When you try to move through the list of wifi SSNs it jumps to the password entry every time you move without telling you which one was selected. 4. The default speed, 50%, is stupid fast. I had to look up how to change the speed. 5. The tutorial was hard to understand and I had to look up the online documentation to get an idea of how it works. The accessibility of that site seems pretty low but luckily I actually am visual. https://support.apple.com/guide/voiceover/use-voiceover-utility-vo28017/mac https://support.apple.com/guide/voiceover/use-voiceover-util...

by lwkl 4y ago

edent 4y ago

> I totally get why you would want these features. But why not just use Ubuntu if you want them? Because, as I say in the post, I have to use one for work. I agree that diversity is good but there are some things - like basic accessibility - which should be non-negotiable. And they certainly shouldn't be paid-for addons.

latexr 4y ago
> there are some things - like basic accessibility - which should be non-negotiable. There are a lot of legitimate reasons to criticise Apple, but I disagree that lack of accessibility options is one of them. They natively support tons of accessibility features, and as far as I’m aware people with disabilities often choose Apple products precisely because they excel at it.
- projektfu 4y ago
  This was interesting. I was recently setting up a mac with Catalina preinstalled and no working monitor so I got the opportunity to use voiceover. It isn't very helpful to someone who hasn't been using it forever. Some issues: 1. Doesn't describe the screen well. Either "you are on a button" or will read everything with no positional context. 2. Doesn't tell you when the screen changes. You press "continue" and it says "you are on a button" 3. When you try to move through the list of wifi SSNs it jumps to the password entry every time you move without telling you which one was selected. 4. The default speed, 50%, is stupid fast. I had to look up how to change the speed. 5. The tutorial was hard to understand and I had to look up the online documentation to get an idea of how it works. The accessibility of that site seems pretty low but luckily I actually am visual. https://support.apple.com/guide/voiceover/use-voiceover-utility-vo28017/mac https://support.apple.com/guide/voiceover/use-voiceover-util...