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It blows my mind too. Typical verbosity argument is nonsense - people should use aliases. With cross platform shell, first time we have some reason not to use

It blows my mind too. Typical verbosity argument is nonsense - people should use aliases. With cross platform shell, first time we have some reason not to use them, to make script more portable. Besides, this verbosity is form of documentation - you really must consider that any bash script comes with invisible man that you usually must check even after years of usage. When you factor that in, even fully verbose PowerShell is joy. Most of Unix haters seem to bi bigots. I have never seen good argument against PowerShell, apart of that it could be faster for specific use cases.

tgv 5y ago
It seems like the powershell occupies a different niche than sh/bash, etc. It seems more oriented towards manipulating system properties than sorting and grepping. At least, the examples are always about system objects and properties. I wouldn't even know how to integrate normal unix commands in the powershell. Things like this look pretty counter-intuitive: https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/integrate-linux-commands-into-windows-with-powershell-and-the-windows-subsystem-for-linux/ https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/integrate-linux-c...
- majkinetor 5y ago
  Sorting and grepping in PowerShell are an every-day trivial thing. I even use it to as data analytics tool to query moderate amount of data because its just simpler then using anything else (given that ConvertFromTo-XML,Json,Csv etc. are integrated, standard, and don't require bunch of other tools like jq, miler etc.) and I can send it to anybody along with the data to reproduce it or tweak it without having to install anything or learn any new language. > At least, the examples are always about system objects and properties Not sure where you get that idea from. Third party examples are not important at all. Majority of usage has nothing to do with the system and its properties. Not sure why you mentioned that particular method of invoking WSL stuff. If anything, it shows how powerful PowerShell is.
usrbinbash 5y ago
> I have never seen good argument against PowerShell As long as I have to type `Get-Content` instead of `cat`, that's argument enough for me.
- majkinetor 5y ago
  But you can - `cat` is alias to Get-Content (one of). Better, use `gc` Its shorter then `cat` and almost immediately guessable what it does if you know that aliases in pwsh are also named by the standard. "Cat" on the other hand has almost nothing to do with original intent (I am not concatenating stuff, I am getting a content so, the problem with that name is the same as with "magic numbers" in general programming)
- bzxcvbn 5y ago
  Good news: cat is a built-in alias for Get-Content in powershell.
- oblio 5y ago
  This is first level ignorance. Which is super amusing when coming from folks that otherwise pride themselves on reading long and dry manuals. PowerShell has aliases. And it comes with a ton of them already defined, they're even listed in the command help page. Get-Content is gc. Heck, Get-Content is even cat.

tgv 5y ago

It seems like the powershell occupies a different niche than sh/bash, etc. It seems more oriented towards manipulating system properties than sorting and grepping. At least, the examples are always about system objects and properties. I wouldn't even know how to integrate normal unix commands in the powershell. Things like this look pretty counter-intuitive: https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/integrate-linux-commands-into-windows-with-powershell-and-the-windows-subsystem-for-linux/ https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/integrate-linux-c...

majkinetor 5y ago
Sorting and grepping in PowerShell are an every-day trivial thing. I even use it to as data analytics tool to query moderate amount of data because its just simpler then using anything else (given that ConvertFromTo-XML,Json,Csv etc. are integrated, standard, and don't require bunch of other tools like jq, miler etc.) and I can send it to anybody along with the data to reproduce it or tweak it without having to install anything or learn any new language. > At least, the examples are always about system objects and properties Not sure where you get that idea from. Third party examples are not important at all. Majority of usage has nothing to do with the system and its properties. Not sure why you mentioned that particular method of invoking WSL stuff. If anything, it shows how powerful PowerShell is.

usrbinbash 5y ago

> I have never seen good argument against PowerShell As long as I have to type `Get-Content` instead of `cat`, that's argument enough for me.

majkinetor 5y ago
But you can - `cat` is alias to Get-Content (one of). Better, use `gc` Its shorter then `cat` and almost immediately guessable what it does if you know that aliases in pwsh are also named by the standard. "Cat" on the other hand has almost nothing to do with original intent (I am not concatenating stuff, I am getting a content so, the problem with that name is the same as with "magic numbers" in general programming)
bzxcvbn 5y ago
Good news: cat is a built-in alias for Get-Content in powershell.
oblio 5y ago
This is first level ignorance. Which is super amusing when coming from folks that otherwise pride themselves on reading long and dry manuals. PowerShell has aliases. And it comes with a ton of them already defined, they're even listed in the command help page. Get-Content is gc. Heck, Get-Content is even cat.