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either the data collection should be banned or everyone should have access. why should monopolies like google and those who can afford access to data brokers ge

either the data collection should be banned or everyone should have access. why should monopolies like google and those who can afford access to data brokers get to extend their power indefinitely? why do people support snowden's leaks but no one is leaking similar shit from google? it can be a payment for releasing your data publicly if people don't want to give it up for free.

mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago
You're right, it should be banned. It should not be legal to covertly(through trackers running on every website, effectively spyware) catalogue people's browsing habits like that. Although I'll give you this. A massive leak might stir up the public outrage necessary to convince the US Congress to actually do something about it.
autoexec 4y ago
> why do people support snowden's leaks but no one is leaking similar shit from google? Whistleblowers are very rare creatures to begin with. Not too many people are willing to risk the legal, financial and career ending repercussions assuming that they even have both access to the data and a means to copy it in bulk to back up their revelations. Even now, a large number of people would sadly still consider Snowden to be a traitor. I imagine Google keeps the data they collect (and more importantly what they've inferred about us using the data they collect) under tight controls to avoid that problem. With only a limited number of people able to access the trove of data at all, and those people being kept happy (or perhaps more pessimistically, kept in line by fear. I mean let's face it, Google likely has enough dirt to bury any one of us alive) it's not hard to imagine that no one has been willing or able to come forward.
dmitriid 4y ago
> either the data collection should be banned GDPR
somenameforme 4y ago
Real whistleblowers acting against the interests of the powerful within a society need to be willing to sacrifice their own lives (and even possibly putting their family and loved ones at risk as well) for ideology. And by definition of being at a point to have access to such information, they also are probably at a position in life where not doing so would allow them to continue to lead an extremely comfortable life. And ultimately, it may not even matter. Snowden's leaks revealed that basically every single privacy related conspiracy theory of times past was true. They showed that the NSA had are not only trading your nudes [1], but even have spies all the way down into things like World of Warcraft and XBox Live [2]. They also demonstrated countless illegal acts that violated every single possible interpretation of the 4th amendment. And now? Snowden is holed up in some place in Russia knowing full well he'll likely getting Assanged, or worse, if he ever steps foot in a place friendly to the US. And the powers that be? They've only become more flagrant in all of their violations, endlessly protected from the law by a mixture of national security and lack of standing legal claims. Don't underestimate what genuinely leaking against the interests of the powerful entails. People like Snowden are truly unique and selfless individuals. [1] - https://time.com/3010649/nsa-sexually-explicit-photographs-snowden/ https://time.com/3010649/nsa-sexually-explicit-photographs-s... [2] - https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/the-nsa-was-spying-in-world-of-warcraft-180948120/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/the-nsa-was-spying...

mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago

You're right, it should be banned. It should not be legal to covertly(through trackers running on every website, effectively spyware) catalogue people's browsing habits like that. Although I'll give you this. A massive leak might stir up the public outrage necessary to convince the US Congress to actually do something about it.

autoexec 4y ago

> why do people support snowden's leaks but no one is leaking similar shit from google? Whistleblowers are very rare creatures to begin with. Not too many people are willing to risk the legal, financial and career ending repercussions assuming that they even have both access to the data and a means to copy it in bulk to back up their revelations. Even now, a large number of people would sadly still consider Snowden to be a traitor. I imagine Google keeps the data they collect (and more importantly what they've inferred about us using the data they collect) under tight controls to avoid that problem. With only a limited number of people able to access the trove of data at all, and those people being kept happy (or perhaps more pessimistically, kept in line by fear. I mean let's face it, Google likely has enough dirt to bury any one of us alive) it's not hard to imagine that no one has been willing or able to come forward.

dmitriid 4y ago

> either the data collection should be banned GDPR

somenameforme 4y ago

Real whistleblowers acting against the interests of the powerful within a society need to be willing to sacrifice their own lives (and even possibly putting their family and loved ones at risk as well) for ideology. And by definition of being at a point to have access to such information, they also are probably at a position in life where not doing so would allow them to continue to lead an extremely comfortable life. And ultimately, it may not even matter. Snowden's leaks revealed that basically every single privacy related conspiracy theory of times past was true. They showed that the NSA had are not only trading your nudes [1], but even have spies all the way down into things like World of Warcraft and XBox Live [2]. They also demonstrated countless illegal acts that violated every single possible interpretation of the 4th amendment. And now? Snowden is holed up in some place in Russia knowing full well he'll likely getting Assanged, or worse, if he ever steps foot in a place friendly to the US. And the powers that be? They've only become more flagrant in all of their violations, endlessly protected from the law by a mixture of national security and lack of standing legal claims. Don't underestimate what genuinely leaking against the interests of the powerful entails. People like Snowden are truly unique and selfless individuals. [1] - https://time.com/3010649/nsa-sexually-explicit-photographs-snowden/ https://time.com/3010649/nsa-sexually-explicit-photographs-s... [2] - https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/the-nsa-was-spying-in-world-of-warcraft-180948120/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/the-nsa-was-spying...