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I think to test this, to make sure it doesn't become Truth Social (where all speech is free, but speech against the owner is bannable), that someone needs to tw

by 4oo4 4y ago

I think to test this, to make sure it doesn't become Truth Social (where all speech is free, but speech against the owner is bannable), that someone needs to tweet critical and/or trolling things about Musk all the time, as a sort of canary. For example, this photo of him and Ghislaine Maxwell. https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/07/03/20/30363780-8488279-image-a-74_1593803860303.jpg https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/07/03/20/30363780-8488279-... I don't doubt his vision of free speech but I highly doubt his ability to prevent his ego from getting in the way of executing it. This is the same person that cancelled someone's Telsa order out of spite when they were overly critical of a launch event.

tomcam 4y ago
Agreed completely.
Proven 4y ago
bin_bash 4y ago
> photo of him and Ghislaine Maxwell I’m with you as far as testing Elon’s limits but I don’t think photos of celebrities with unsavory people generally should be considered damning. Celebrities get asked to take photos next to random people all the time. I don’t think that should be seen as any kind of endorsement of them.
- kranke155 4y ago
  Is this the full extent of it. Indeed I mean … people take random party pics with other people all the time.
- 4oo4 4y ago
  That's fair, and lots of wealthy people have photos with her or Epstein even if they didn't participate in his pedophilia ring, though many of them took their money. It's just a starting point, though Musk's pettiness and egotism can't be underestimated. Other options: - Implying Musk did participate in the pedophilia ring (not true that we know of, but Musk does have experience with accusing innocent people of being pedophiles) - Tesla being an absurdly racist place to work: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/14/judge-finds-tesla-liable-to-black-former-worker-who-alleged-bias-but-slashes-payout.html https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/14/judge-finds-tesla-liable-to-... - Rampant sexism at SpaceX: https://www.lioness.co/post/at-spacex-we-re-told-we-can-change-the-world-just-don-t-try-to-stop-the-sexual-harassment https://www.lioness.co/post/at-spacex-we-re-told-we-can-chan... - Reminding people how bad the AI is in Tesla vehicles and how many people it's killed and almost killed, and how it gets worse with every software update - Animal cruelty at Neuralink: https://www.the-sun.com/news/4662578/elon-musk-neuralink-test-monkeys-abuse/ https://www.the-sun.com/news/4662578/elon-musk-neuralink-tes... - Credible reports of emotional abuse against partners: https://medium.com/@webwifi/open-letter-to-grimes-682c2d9cee45 https://medium.com/@webwifi/open-letter-to-grimes-682c2d9cee... - Reminders that Musk didn't invent or build anything at Tesla, but rather bought the company from the two founders that did all the actual work, and that he's a spoiled brat in general Anything to put oligarchs in their place is always a good thing, since Musk is far beyond the point of absolute power corrupting absolutely.
  - samhw 4y ago
    > Credible reports of emotional abuse against partners I'm not an Elon Musk fan (seriously: grep through any comments I've posted about the guy), but the article linked here is an incredibly weak substantiation of that libellous claim. I'm rather impressed by the writer's balls in posting it. The content of the article is just a desultory ramble through a few things Musk has said or done which make him look like a kinda-shitty person, but nothing remotely rising to the level of abuse. "He didn't let his kids have stuffed animals" or "he 'put his wife's flaws under the microscope' when they argued" or "he pressured a reporter not to publish an article by insinuating that he'd go to jail" or "I didn't realise he had a dead son, he must not talk about it much" ... none of these make him look like an affable, sweet-natured guy - I'm not sure what anyone expects from a tech billionaire - but to call it 'abuse' devalues the word, imo.
    - 4oo4 4y ago
      Weak writing aside, it's still credible since it's coming from a primary source. If his ex-wife felt abused and manipulated, who are we to question her? I would say at the very least it's something that deserves more scrutiny, since there might be a pattern there. Just because you are an oligarch doesn't give you a pass from being a bad partner or parent, and I would defer to their lived experiences on how he measures up on those fronts. IMO, you cease being a good partner and parent when you start putting the pursuit of money and power above your family's emotional needs. Being an asshole to the people close to you is not a prerequisite for success. Even if you don't agree with any of that, it does still serve its purpose of being a Twitter troll canary against him.
      - samhw 4y ago
        > If his ex-wife felt abused and manipulated, who are we to question her? Well, the question would be whether she was abused and manipulated. The stuff in this article makes him out to be a shitty person, at least in those moments, and perhaps I wouldn't be too surprised if he were guilty of abuse, but it's strange that no one described anything worse than those anecdotes. His ex-wife certainly seems willing to spill any beans she has. > I would say at the very least it's something that deserves more scrutiny. More scrutiny, sure. An article saying "This guy is an abuser, because, well, he might be, who knows??" ... well, like I say, I admire the author's audacity.
cco 4y ago
Much simpler, does Elon's jet's Twitter bot stay around? That's the litmus test haha.
- 4oo4 4y ago
  That's a good one, I forgot about that.

by 4oo4 4y ago

tomcam 4y ago

Agreed completely.

Proven 4y ago

bin_bash 4y ago

> photo of him and Ghislaine Maxwell I’m with you as far as testing Elon’s limits but I don’t think photos of celebrities with unsavory people generally should be considered damning. Celebrities get asked to take photos next to random people all the time. I don’t think that should be seen as any kind of endorsement of them.

kranke155 4y ago
Is this the full extent of it. Indeed I mean … people take random party pics with other people all the time.
4oo4 4y ago
That's fair, and lots of wealthy people have photos with her or Epstein even if they didn't participate in his pedophilia ring, though many of them took their money. It's just a starting point, though Musk's pettiness and egotism can't be underestimated. Other options: - Implying Musk did participate in the pedophilia ring (not true that we know of, but Musk does have experience with accusing innocent people of being pedophiles) - Tesla being an absurdly racist place to work: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/14/judge-finds-tesla-liable-to-black-former-worker-who-alleged-bias-but-slashes-payout.html https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/14/judge-finds-tesla-liable-to-... - Rampant sexism at SpaceX: https://www.lioness.co/post/at-spacex-we-re-told-we-can-change-the-world-just-don-t-try-to-stop-the-sexual-harassment https://www.lioness.co/post/at-spacex-we-re-told-we-can-chan... - Reminding people how bad the AI is in Tesla vehicles and how many people it's killed and almost killed, and how it gets worse with every software update - Animal cruelty at Neuralink: https://www.the-sun.com/news/4662578/elon-musk-neuralink-test-monkeys-abuse/ https://www.the-sun.com/news/4662578/elon-musk-neuralink-tes... - Credible reports of emotional abuse against partners: https://medium.com/@webwifi/open-letter-to-grimes-682c2d9cee45 https://medium.com/@webwifi/open-letter-to-grimes-682c2d9cee... - Reminders that Musk didn't invent or build anything at Tesla, but rather bought the company from the two founders that did all the actual work, and that he's a spoiled brat in general Anything to put oligarchs in their place is always a good thing, since Musk is far beyond the point of absolute power corrupting absolutely.
- samhw 4y ago
  > Credible reports of emotional abuse against partners I'm not an Elon Musk fan (seriously: grep through any comments I've posted about the guy), but the article linked here is an incredibly weak substantiation of that libellous claim. I'm rather impressed by the writer's balls in posting it. The content of the article is just a desultory ramble through a few things Musk has said or done which make him look like a kinda-shitty person, but nothing remotely rising to the level of abuse. "He didn't let his kids have stuffed animals" or "he 'put his wife's flaws under the microscope' when they argued" or "he pressured a reporter not to publish an article by insinuating that he'd go to jail" or "I didn't realise he had a dead son, he must not talk about it much" ... none of these make him look like an affable, sweet-natured guy - I'm not sure what anyone expects from a tech billionaire - but to call it 'abuse' devalues the word, imo.
  - 4oo4 4y ago
    Weak writing aside, it's still credible since it's coming from a primary source. If his ex-wife felt abused and manipulated, who are we to question her? I would say at the very least it's something that deserves more scrutiny, since there might be a pattern there. Just because you are an oligarch doesn't give you a pass from being a bad partner or parent, and I would defer to their lived experiences on how he measures up on those fronts. IMO, you cease being a good partner and parent when you start putting the pursuit of money and power above your family's emotional needs. Being an asshole to the people close to you is not a prerequisite for success. Even if you don't agree with any of that, it does still serve its purpose of being a Twitter troll canary against him.
    - samhw 4y ago
      > If his ex-wife felt abused and manipulated, who are we to question her? Well, the question would be whether she was abused and manipulated. The stuff in this article makes him out to be a shitty person, at least in those moments, and perhaps I wouldn't be too surprised if he were guilty of abuse, but it's strange that no one described anything worse than those anecdotes. His ex-wife certainly seems willing to spill any beans she has. > I would say at the very least it's something that deserves more scrutiny. More scrutiny, sure. An article saying "This guy is an abuser, because, well, he might be, who knows??" ... well, like I say, I admire the author's audacity.

cco 4y ago

Much simpler, does Elon's jet's Twitter bot stay around? That's the litmus test haha.

4oo4 4y ago
That's a good one, I forgot about that.