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He's cancelled car orders of journalists: https://medium.com/@salsop/banned-by-tesla-8d1f3249b9fb https://medium.com/@salsop/banned-by-tesla-8d1f3249b9fb He's

• reapwhatyousow 5y ago
  But the first amendment is just about the federal government not censoring people. Twitter is a private platform, that now belongs to Elon Musk. If you don't like it, build your own.
  • strulovich 5y ago
    Free speech is not just the first amendment. It’s a moral value that exists by itself.
    • skeptikal 5y ago
      OP was ironic restating verbatim what “conservatives” have been told over the last four-five years when they got ostracized for disagreeing with “liberals”. “Build your own Twitter!” “Build your own ISP!” “Build your own DNS” “Build your own copper lines!” And now Chomsky has gone as far as to say that people who disagree with him (vis a vis vaccines) should be put in a desert and build their own societies. When asked if those people wouldn't die of starvation he shrugged it off.
      • kgarten 5y ago
        "Conservatives" also believed that there is a "liberal bias" in social media. Pretty ridiculous seeing that there is an rise of autocracies world wide. Citation for Chomsky?
  • smrtinsert 5y ago
    I think you meant, build your own with a healthy serving of govt financing?
  • kuraudo 5y ago
    Musk's purported reason for buying Twitter was because he wants it to be an outlet for free speech. In his words (well paraphrased), he was calling it the new town square of democracy. Instead of building his own, he bought it.
  • MrStonedOne 5y ago
• benrapscallion 5y ago
  That’s a lot of BI articles.
• prvc 5y ago
  More power to him for those things, also, they don't violate the first amendment.
  • metadat 5y ago
    What? He behaves like a first class grade-A asshole. Elon is not your friend unless you're in the 10x+ billies club. @prvc while you do this volunteer fanboy work of defending him, given the opportunity he'd just as soon eject you out the nearest airlock. It's sad really, he's essentially a Borg with a malfunctioning emotions implant.
    • alephnan 5y ago
      • metadat 5y ago
        Kanye West is an emotionally disturbed individual. What does friendship even mean for a seriously mentally ill person? Anyhoo, looking at your comment history, I noticed you are frequently all-in on defending Mr. Musk, regardless of what he might've done. Given the entrenchment, progress in this conversation seems unlikely, so I'm going to close this thread by wishing you all the best alephnan. Take care.
        • alephnan 5y ago
        • mxkopy 5y ago
          >What does friendship even mean for a seriously mentally ill person? That's a really fucked up take. You can be mentally ill and be capable of recognizing love.
          • metadat 5y ago
            In my experience, it varies. The common theme I've seen is that people with serious paranoia issues tend to turn on their friends and those who love them the most. I'm not trying to say they aren't capable, only asking the question of how large the differential might be.
• _blz2 5y ago
  It's a private company. He is legally free to delete/block/censor whoever he wants from his platform.
  • gkoberger 5y ago
    Yeah, I know, but he claims to be a free speech absolutist who is doing this because he doesn’t believe in censorship. That’s the point I’m making.
    • _blz2 5y ago
      Yes he's free to lie too if he wants...
      • randoglando 5y ago
        If your defence is... "He is a liar", then we are in agreement!
        • _blz2 5y ago
          No, I'm taking a shot at the projections you're making.
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  • ascendantlogic 5y ago
    So then he'll be doing what he said he didn't want to happen, just now to the people he doesn't like?
    • _blz2 5y ago
      Until yesterday the projection was that this is a pump and dump and elon didn't have any plans to buy it to begin with. Some also said he's doing to ban the jet tracker account. Now the projection is he doesn't care about free speech. You are free to make any projections you want if that brings you peace.
• s1artibartfast 5y ago
  None of these are censorship. Petty, retaliatory, and abusive, sure. but not censorship.
  • jjulius 5y ago
    Firing an employee for posting a video of a FSD beta-enabled Tesla is not only, as you said, retaliatory, but it is also censorship. He used that employee to set an example for others, effectively causing people to censor themselves in the future.
    • s1artibartfast 5y ago
      So is firing and even suing an employee for disseminating your proprietary code, but few would argue that that is censorship, in the free speech sense.
      • fzeroracer 5y ago
        If someone was a purported free speech absolutist, then yes that would be censorship. It would be a violation of copyright law, but copyright law and censorship can easily be argued to go hand in hand. Which is partly why free speech absolutists cannot exist. Eventually, everyone draws a line in the sand. In the case of Elon Musk, that line in the sand seems to move depending on whom does the censoring.
        • s1artibartfast 5y ago
          Who ever said he is an absolutist? I have only seen that claim from critics making a no true Scott's an argument. At a minimum he said he will regulate illegal content.
          • fzeroracer 5y ago
            He's literally referred to himself as a free speech absolutist [1]. I don't know how much more explicit it can get here. Unless you want to argue that he's a hypocrite and his words have no meaning or something, in which case that's precisely the problem a lot of people have with him and his 'free speech' stance. [1] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1499976967105433600?s=20&t=_fhxUkSnjC9ZNq_cDaGNVQ https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1499976967105433600?s=20...
• memish 5y ago
  Most of those are examples of him curating his own life. Not curating yours or mine. If he does, it will be a problem.
  • thr0wawayf00 5y ago
    There is zero percent chance that a guy with an ego as big as his won't build Twitter in his image. These guys are playing God.
    • 0xdeadb00f 5y ago
      Precisely this. It's incredible how naive HN and the online community in general is being about this.
  • smrtinsert 5y ago
    Is this a joking response? I can't tell.
  • britch 5y ago
    Uninviting someone to a party would be curating his own life. Firing people is a lot more than that lol
    • loceng 5y ago
      Firing people at a private company is not anything near the same thing as censoring someone on what is said to be run a public square; and for example if he wants to allow Trump on, ideally with conditions or full-time oversight, if Twitter employees can't accept that and cause problems internally - who are then going against company policy - then they should be fired, no?
      • danShumway 5y ago
        > Firing people at a private company is not anything near the same thing as censoring someone on what is said to be run a public square Being fired is exponentially more impactful and harmful for the average person than being banned from Twitter and has a much higher chilling effect on free speech than Twitter censorship does. I don't understand the logic being twisted around here -- Musk himself has complained about ruining people's livelihoods over political/social disagreements. Getting people fired because of their social media is one of the chief complaints people have about "cancel culture." If people aren't going to criticize Musk for attacking employees over blogposts, then it's going to be real hard for me to take them seriously whenever they talk about Twitter mobs.
• woolion 5y ago
  I don't know much about Musk so I was interested in reading your links. First one starts with: >Dear @ElonMusk: Thank you for reaching out to me. I heard from our phone conversation that you feel that my post, “Dear @ElonMusk: You should be ashamed of yourself”, was a personal attack on you. Do you really think this is journalism, and that you have to serve a customer who treats you like that? Second link: >Mark Goldberg, a Morgan Stanley banker that helped take Tesla public in 2010, told Higgins that Musk repeatedly threatened to fire bankers from Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs before Tesla's IPO launch in 2010. Poor bankers. Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs, very sensitive people I'm sure. Also, the linked Twitter thread shows one event described with Tim Cook was denied by both of them. It looks like a typical poorly sourced attack rag. >https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1421150913075503112?s=20 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1421150913075503112?s=20 First Amazon review of the book: >I'm always somewhat skeptical when it comes to accounts of what transpired in meetings behind closed doors; especially when the accounts are largely from people that left Tesla on bad terms. You can imagine at this point there's no need to go through the rest of the list, and that list would actually have the opposite effect of the one you intended.
  • randoglando 5y ago
    > Do you really think this is journalism Yes, it could be. Need to read the rest of the article to know whether it was merited or not. Elon has done lots of scummy things (Tesla battery swap scam for one). > and that you have to serve a customer who treats you like that You don't have to, but when you are pretending to be the paragon of free speech, it is an important data point.
    • woolion 5y ago
      Not at all. The whole thing about freedom is that people should be free to say what they want because they should also be able to listen to what they want. Nobody ever made the point that free speech means you should not be able to block people. This is dumbfounding. The point about freedom is that communities can gravitate towards the moderation that suit them as opposed to a centralized one decided by an elite that has no counter-balance since they banned everyone who rebutted them. And no, it doesn't really mean "then Twitter is right to ban everyone because they are private" since we're far from being in any kind of free market. Existing regulations, powerful existing lobbies and de-facto monopolies mean we should strive towards a complex balance.
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• loceng 5y ago
  > Sure, he's never censored people the same way he could on Twitter, but he's also never had the chance. What you're doing now is far worse than Musk trying to manage his own private companies and reputation, you're fear mongering; "what if he's the boogie monster!" Managing a private company is not akin to managing free speech on a "public square" - and Elon seems quite aware of this. He's also quite aware of the risk and threat of tyranny if the general population doesn't have a place they won't be censored by systems toeing the line for domestic or foreign bad actors/interests, whether they're for-profit industrial complexes or authoritarians.