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> He’s concurrently framed the entire purchase of Twitter under some nebulous vision of free speech. On the contrary, it is the most concrete vision of free sp

by tomcam 5y ago

> He’s concurrently framed the entire purchase of Twitter under some nebulous vision of free speech. On the contrary, it is the most concrete vision of free speech I can imagine. Elon said explicitly that he wants Twitter to support any legal speech. The United States has by far the most caselaw in the world detailing the use and restriction of speech.

4oo4 5y ago
I think to test this, to make sure it doesn't become Truth Social (where all speech is free, but speech against the owner is bannable), that someone needs to tweet critical and/or trolling things about Musk all the time, as a sort of canary. For example, this photo of him and Ghislaine Maxwell. https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/07/03/20/30363780-8488279-image-a-74_1593803860303.jpg https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/07/03/20/30363780-8488279-... I don't doubt his vision of free speech but I highly doubt his ability to prevent his ego from getting in the way of executing it. This is the same person that cancelled someone's Telsa order out of spite when they were overly critical of a launch event.
- tomcam 5y ago
  Agreed completely.
- Proven 5y ago
- bin_bash 5y ago
  > photo of him and Ghislaine Maxwell I’m with you as far as testing Elon’s limits but I don’t think photos of celebrities with unsavory people generally should be considered damning. Celebrities get asked to take photos next to random people all the time. I don’t think that should be seen as any kind of endorsement of them.
  - kranke155 5y ago
    Is this the full extent of it. Indeed I mean … people take random party pics with other people all the time.
  - 4oo4 5y ago
    That's fair, and lots of wealthy people have photos with her or Epstein even if they didn't participate in his pedophilia ring, though many of them took their money. It's just a starting point, though Musk's pettiness and egotism can't be underestimated. Other options: - Implying Musk did participate in the pedophilia ring (not true that we know of, but Musk does have experience with accusing innocent people of being pedophiles) - Tesla being an absurdly racist place to work: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/14/judge-finds-tesla-liable-to-black-former-worker-who-alleged-bias-but-slashes-payout.html https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/14/judge-finds-tesla-liable-to-... - Rampant sexism at SpaceX: https://www.lioness.co/post/at-spacex-we-re-told-we-can-change-the-world-just-don-t-try-to-stop-the-sexual-harassment https://www.lioness.co/post/at-spacex-we-re-told-we-can-chan... - Reminding people how bad the AI is in Tesla vehicles and how many people it's killed and almost killed, and how it gets worse with every software update - Animal cruelty at Neuralink: https://www.the-sun.com/news/4662578/elon-musk-neuralink-test-monkeys-abuse/ https://www.the-sun.com/news/4662578/elon-musk-neuralink-tes... - Credible reports of emotional abuse against partners: https://medium.com/@webwifi/open-letter-to-grimes-682c2d9cee45 https://medium.com/@webwifi/open-letter-to-grimes-682c2d9cee... - Reminders that Musk didn't invent or build anything at Tesla, but rather bought the company from the two founders that did all the actual work, and that he's a spoiled brat in general Anything to put oligarchs in their place is always a good thing, since Musk is far beyond the point of absolute power corrupting absolutely.
    - samhw 5y ago
      > Credible reports of emotional abuse against partners I'm not an Elon Musk fan (seriously: grep through any comments I've posted about the guy), but the article linked here is an incredibly weak substantiation of that libellous claim. I'm rather impressed by the writer's balls in posting it. The content of the article is just a desultory ramble through a few things Musk has said or done which make him look like a kinda-shitty person, but nothing remotely rising to the level of abuse. "He didn't let his kids have stuffed animals" or "he 'put his wife's flaws under the microscope' when they argued" or "he pressured a reporter not to publish an article by insinuating that he'd go to jail" or "I didn't realise he had a dead son, he must not talk about it much" ... none of these make him look like an affable, sweet-natured guy - I'm not sure what anyone expects from a tech billionaire - but to call it 'abuse' devalues the word, imo.
- cco 5y ago
  Much simpler, does Elon's jet's Twitter bot stay around? That's the litmus test haha.
  - 4oo4 5y ago
    That's a good one, I forgot about that.
0xdeadb00f 5y ago
What Elon wants and what Elon delivers are two different things. We should know this by now.
thomassmith65 5y ago
If Musk were actually buying Twitter instead of screwing the stock around for a few months, it would be a change, not a widening, in 'free speech'. Likely more free if you want to robo-spam Dogecoin pump-and-dump schemes, convince suckers to 'hodl' tsla, or falsely accuse an enemy of being a 'pedo guy.' Likely less free if you try to tweet the whereabouts of Musk's private jet, promote a union for Tesla factory workers, or be a politician with an ant-monopoly platform. Personally I will avoid reading more posts about the Twitter sale for five or six months. If it's still on then, I'll accept it is real. Until, I assume it's just stock manipulation.

by tomcam 5y ago

4oo4 5y ago

I think to test this, to make sure it doesn't become Truth Social (where all speech is free, but speech against the owner is bannable), that someone needs to tweet critical and/or trolling things about Musk all the time, as a sort of canary. For example, this photo of him and Ghislaine Maxwell. https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/07/03/20/30363780-8488279-image-a-74_1593803860303.jpg https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/07/03/20/30363780-8488279-... I don't doubt his vision of free speech but I highly doubt his ability to prevent his ego from getting in the way of executing it. This is the same person that cancelled someone's Telsa order out of spite when they were overly critical of a launch event.

tomcam 5y ago
Agreed completely.
Proven 5y ago
bin_bash 5y ago
> photo of him and Ghislaine Maxwell I’m with you as far as testing Elon’s limits but I don’t think photos of celebrities with unsavory people generally should be considered damning. Celebrities get asked to take photos next to random people all the time. I don’t think that should be seen as any kind of endorsement of them.
- kranke155 5y ago
  Is this the full extent of it. Indeed I mean … people take random party pics with other people all the time.
- 4oo4 5y ago
  That's fair, and lots of wealthy people have photos with her or Epstein even if they didn't participate in his pedophilia ring, though many of them took their money. It's just a starting point, though Musk's pettiness and egotism can't be underestimated. Other options: - Implying Musk did participate in the pedophilia ring (not true that we know of, but Musk does have experience with accusing innocent people of being pedophiles) - Tesla being an absurdly racist place to work: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/14/judge-finds-tesla-liable-to-black-former-worker-who-alleged-bias-but-slashes-payout.html https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/14/judge-finds-tesla-liable-to-... - Rampant sexism at SpaceX: https://www.lioness.co/post/at-spacex-we-re-told-we-can-change-the-world-just-don-t-try-to-stop-the-sexual-harassment https://www.lioness.co/post/at-spacex-we-re-told-we-can-chan... - Reminding people how bad the AI is in Tesla vehicles and how many people it's killed and almost killed, and how it gets worse with every software update - Animal cruelty at Neuralink: https://www.the-sun.com/news/4662578/elon-musk-neuralink-test-monkeys-abuse/ https://www.the-sun.com/news/4662578/elon-musk-neuralink-tes... - Credible reports of emotional abuse against partners: https://medium.com/@webwifi/open-letter-to-grimes-682c2d9cee45 https://medium.com/@webwifi/open-letter-to-grimes-682c2d9cee... - Reminders that Musk didn't invent or build anything at Tesla, but rather bought the company from the two founders that did all the actual work, and that he's a spoiled brat in general Anything to put oligarchs in their place is always a good thing, since Musk is far beyond the point of absolute power corrupting absolutely.
  - samhw 5y ago
    > Credible reports of emotional abuse against partners I'm not an Elon Musk fan (seriously: grep through any comments I've posted about the guy), but the article linked here is an incredibly weak substantiation of that libellous claim. I'm rather impressed by the writer's balls in posting it. The content of the article is just a desultory ramble through a few things Musk has said or done which make him look like a kinda-shitty person, but nothing remotely rising to the level of abuse. "He didn't let his kids have stuffed animals" or "he 'put his wife's flaws under the microscope' when they argued" or "he pressured a reporter not to publish an article by insinuating that he'd go to jail" or "I didn't realise he had a dead son, he must not talk about it much" ... none of these make him look like an affable, sweet-natured guy - I'm not sure what anyone expects from a tech billionaire - but to call it 'abuse' devalues the word, imo.
cco 5y ago
Much simpler, does Elon's jet's Twitter bot stay around? That's the litmus test haha.
- 4oo4 5y ago
  That's a good one, I forgot about that.

0xdeadb00f 5y ago

What Elon wants and what Elon delivers are two different things. We should know this by now.

thomassmith65 5y ago

If Musk were actually buying Twitter instead of screwing the stock around for a few months, it would be a change, not a widening, in 'free speech'. Likely more free if you want to robo-spam Dogecoin pump-and-dump schemes, convince suckers to 'hodl' tsla, or falsely accuse an enemy of being a 'pedo guy.' Likely less free if you try to tweet the whereabouts of Musk's private jet, promote a union for Tesla factory workers, or be a politician with an ant-monopoly platform. Personally I will avoid reading more posts about the Twitter sale for five or six months. If it's still on then, I'll accept it is real. Until, I assume it's just stock manipulation.