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That's a risky move, especially on NATO countries.
by mmastrac 5y ago
That's a risky move, especially on NATO countries.
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- andrewflnr 5y agoNot especially. They've been doing it for years with no really severe consequences. It's clearly well short of anyone's red line.
- arcticbull 5y agoWe've been operating in a mode for probably the last 15 years where cyberattacks are simply not treated as acts of war - more like nuisances. North Korea has been behind a ton of crypto hacks and thefts, and they're simply ignored. The Russians attacked Colonial Pipeline, and they're simply ignored. There's a list as long as my arm. For whatever reason we've decided cyberattacks are not war.
- _carbyau_ 5y agoI agree it seems weird. I see two things diluting response: 1. A malicious actor is abusing the scenario, but everyone thinks "If it was set up properly in the first place that wouldn't have been possible." Victim blaming in a sense. 2. Attribution is hard. There is likely more.
- ars 5y agoEspionage is also not considered war. Testing another country by provocative overflights or the like are also not war. I think as long as people are not killed it's not war.
- samus 5y agoEven if people are killed in some localized skirmish, or a plane gets shot down, it could be escalated but often isn't.
- pjc50 5y agoThe Russians shot down an airliner, killing 298 people, mostly Dutch. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17 There was very little international reaction at the time, which probably emboldened the Russian takeover of eastern Ukraine. But now Dutch artillery is being shipped to the Ukranian army.
- rossdavidh 5y agoTreating cyberattacks as an act of war, would make it WAY too easy to set up war between two countries you don't like. Attribution can sometimes be very difficult. Thus, and probably this if for the best, we don't see cyberattacks treated as acts of war. If they did enough damage in the physical world, it's possible they would be. But, since we had to read about these "hacks" in a news article about hacks rather than in, say, a news article about widespread blackouts in Germany, it does not appear that these did all that much damage. Problematic, for sure, but mostly at the nuisance level compared to, say, lobbing missiles or shooting people.