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> This is after we had CORPORATE control of twitter (which they apparently applaud) ... they aren't aplauding it. They are offering suggestions now that twitte

> This is after we had CORPORATE control of twitter (which they apparently applaud) ... they aren't aplauding it. They are offering suggestions now that twitter is under new ownership, since the previous owners were inept. It's likely that musk is equally inept (or worse.)

jimmygrapes 4y ago
I think the question is really why did it take this long for the EFF to chime in? Perhaps they did and nobody cared enough for things to change, or maybe didn't feel like it was worth the effort. Maybe they see an opportunity to take advantage of the moment.
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > why did it take this long for the EFF to chime in? "EFF collaborated with organizations from around the world to create the Santa Clara Principles, which lay out a framework for how companies should operate with respect to transparency and accountability in content moderation decisions. Twitter publicly supported the first version of the Santa Clara Principles in its 2019 transparency report." https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/04/twitter-has-new-owner-heres-what-he-should-do https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/04/twitter-has-new-owner-... this article
  - jimmygrapes 4y ago
    Thanks, I knew I was missing something because there's no way all this e-drama was ignored by them (us? can I say us?) until now.
  - LegitShady 4y ago
    twitter publicly supported it but never reflected in its actual behaviour
sieabahlpark 4y ago
He seems to understand how to run a few successful companies at this point. So I think your fears are unfounded.
- ss108 4y ago
  Among other issues, success for him does not necessarily equal a good Twitter for society.
tempnow987 4y ago
The EFF has a long history of supporting spam so I think Elon's efforts around shutting down bots / scammers etc will probably piss them off. What this really meant was twitter blocked nonapproved content pretty freely while openly tolerating absolutely massive amounts of spam comments / bots / scams with SUPER obvious misuse of usernames and more. I should note that they've toned their pro-spam stuff way down. Their early early rhetoric was pretty strong, by 2001 I think they'd mellowed out a bit. "Specifically, any measure for stopping spam must ensure that all non-spam messages reach their intended recipients. Proposed solutions that do not fulfill these minimal goals are themselves a form of Internet abuse and are a direct assault on the health, growth, openness and liberty of the Internet. ... Email is protected speech. There is a fundamental free speech right to be able to send and receive messages, regardless of medium. ... It is unacceptable, then, for anti-spam policies to limit legitimate rights to send or receive email. To the extent that an anti-spam proposal, whether legal or technical, results in such casualties, that proposal is unacceptable." So they really really do not like spam folders etc, and they absolutely HATE ip blocks.
- ss108 4y ago
  This is interesting and weird. I mean, I get the logic, but I'm surprised they are that puritanical and willfully-ignorant of the practical consequences of their position.
afiori 4y ago
Just out of a different ownership structure it is likely that the new ownership will be differently inept

jimmygrapes 4y ago

I think the question is really why did it take this long for the EFF to chime in? Perhaps they did and nobody cared enough for things to change, or maybe didn't feel like it was worth the effort. Maybe they see an opportunity to take advantage of the moment.

JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> why did it take this long for the EFF to chime in? "EFF collaborated with organizations from around the world to create the Santa Clara Principles, which lay out a framework for how companies should operate with respect to transparency and accountability in content moderation decisions. Twitter publicly supported the first version of the Santa Clara Principles in its 2019 transparency report." https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/04/twitter-has-new-owner-heres-what-he-should-do https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/04/twitter-has-new-owner-... this article
- jimmygrapes 4y ago
  Thanks, I knew I was missing something because there's no way all this e-drama was ignored by them (us? can I say us?) until now.
- LegitShady 4y ago
  twitter publicly supported it but never reflected in its actual behaviour

sieabahlpark 4y ago

He seems to understand how to run a few successful companies at this point. So I think your fears are unfounded.

ss108 4y ago
Among other issues, success for him does not necessarily equal a good Twitter for society.

tempnow987 4y ago

The EFF has a long history of supporting spam so I think Elon's efforts around shutting down bots / scammers etc will probably piss them off. What this really meant was twitter blocked nonapproved content pretty freely while openly tolerating absolutely massive amounts of spam comments / bots / scams with SUPER obvious misuse of usernames and more. I should note that they've toned their pro-spam stuff way down. Their early early rhetoric was pretty strong, by 2001 I think they'd mellowed out a bit. "Specifically, any measure for stopping spam must ensure that all non-spam messages reach their intended recipients. Proposed solutions that do not fulfill these minimal goals are themselves a form of Internet abuse and are a direct assault on the health, growth, openness and liberty of the Internet. ... Email is protected speech. There is a fundamental free speech right to be able to send and receive messages, regardless of medium. ... It is unacceptable, then, for anti-spam policies to limit legitimate rights to send or receive email. To the extent that an anti-spam proposal, whether legal or technical, results in such casualties, that proposal is unacceptable." So they really really do not like spam folders etc, and they absolutely HATE ip blocks.

ss108 4y ago
This is interesting and weird. I mean, I get the logic, but I'm surprised they are that puritanical and willfully-ignorant of the practical consequences of their position.

afiori 4y ago

Just out of a different ownership structure it is likely that the new ownership will be differently inept