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> Lol, you make it sounds like we're about to lose Einstein due to overwork. If I had to make a choice b/w Musk and Einstein, I'd pick Musk 100:1 in Musk's fav

by oxplot 4y ago

> Lol, you make it sounds like we're about to lose Einstein due to overwork. If I had to make a choice b/w Musk and Einstein, I'd pick Musk 100:1 in Musk's favor. Musk moves things forward with whatever tech/science is available right now. Likes of Einstein are absolutely needed but we have way more tech than we make efficient use of right now. > Musk is an opportunistic man-baby Name call all you want — he's changing our world for the better today and for your kids and their kids like no one else has. or ever will. > not the second coming, let him burn out... I'd give my money to keep him healthy, alive and kicking long before spending a cent on any charity, as do many others who don't have their heads up their asses.

kovac 4y ago
Einstein's work in photoelectric effect and quantum mechanics paved the way to modern electronics, transistors, sensors, semiconductor tech. The revolution he brought about could eventually give us quantum computers, his general relativity for interstellar, inter-galactic travel...
- ComradePhil 4y ago
  Meh! Those "revolutions" by a single person are way too overrated. Oftentimes, things happen in science because other things that happen make it possible to happen. As long as enough people are working on these things, they are inevitable. Same is true for enterpreneurship... however, I believe Musk is one of the few who has built companies like Tesla, SpaceX, Boring etc. which nobody else would even want to get into because they thought they were not worth doing for making money. In fact, people like Bill Gates are still shorting Tesla because they don't believe it has value. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativity_priority_dispute https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativity_priority_dispute https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_relativity_priority_dispute https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_relativity_priority_...
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  - Sebb767 4y ago
    > Oftentimes, things happen in science because other things that happen make it possible to happen. Just like in business. Electric cars were pushed by Musk, yes, but they were helped by rapidly increasing battery capacity and demand through the increasing sentiment against ICE cars. SpaceX is definitely also cool, but by now every billionaire seems to have it's own space company. SpaceX is still pushing for Mars like nobody else, but it's not like the field is deserted. > I believe Musk is one of the few who has built companies [...] which nobody else would even want to get into because they thought they were not worth doing for making money. Given how many insanely valued companies we have who's business model is basically to spend VC money (see, for example, Uber), I highly doubt this. There are also a lot of small-time car manufacturers, with quite a few specializing on electric vehicles even. There's definitely money to be made in this space. > In fact, people like Bill Gates are still shorting Tesla because they don't believe it has value. There's definitely a way where you can believe both, that a) Tesla really fast-forwarded the adoption of electric vehicles and did something good and b) that Tesla being the most valuable car company on the planet is insane. I'm not saying Elon achievements are not impressive, they definitely are and his net impact is positive. But just like Einstein, if it wouldn't have been for Elon, there would most likely be another company filling this space right now.
    - oxplot 4y ago
      > rapidly increasing battery capacity and demand That is solely and utterly because of Tesla. The reason for the demand was to build electric cars which Tesla and only Tesla, building butt load of BEVs required. Everybody else before Tesla showed up was either making hybrids with minuscule capacity requirement or low range BEVs in low volumes. > There are also a lot of small-time car manufacturers, with quite a few specializing on electric vehicles even. Again, all because or Tesla. They are all riding on Tesla’s success. Why do you think Rivian IPO was greater than century old car makers marker cap making multi million number of vehicles a year where Rivian made none?!! Tesla. > there would most likely be another company filling this space right now That is a pointless statement you can say about anyone at any time in history which is to say nothing. You can’t go back in time and let this play out by someone else. Elon is the one who did all this and we’re stuck with this history.
ernahrung 4y ago
>I'd give my money to keep him healthy, alive and kicking long before spending a cent on any charity hahahahah what You should probably learn about Elon Musk a little bit more before you finish building your shrine of him. He's a conman at best. >Musk moves things forward with whatever tech/science is available right now. Are you saying that Einstein didn't do that? I'm confused, do you have any idea how much of the tech that Elon is using is reliant upon the findings of Einstein? Genuinely awe-struck reading your comment, also he isn't even improving the planet, the lithium in all those batteries has to come from somewhere. Oh and the lithium batteries can burn for hours at extreme temperatures when they combust, and in some cases when this happens the Tesla's "advanced AI" will initiate the door locks, trapping you inside :) but it's okay, cause Elon is a cool guy on twitter :)
- mirceal 4y ago
  > He's a conman at best. Disagree. He’s a clown at best!
mirceal 4y ago
seriously? you’d pick a clown over someone who literally revolutionized physics? GPS, lasers, photovoltaic cells, spacetime to name the biggest things.
- oxplot 4y ago
  > you’d pick a clown over someone who literally revolutionized physics? Seriously? Clowns in your town start revolutions in manufacturing, energy, space travel, worldwide comms, etc.? Well if you consider how many things he's juggling at a time, he may actually be a circus performer. A darn good one - the best perhaps, given that he has also created jobs for 100K+ people in the world.
  - mirceal 4y ago
    you need to step out of your bubble and critically examine what his contribution was. Revolutions? Really? Revolutions?
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by oxplot 4y ago

kovac 4y ago

Einstein's work in photoelectric effect and quantum mechanics paved the way to modern electronics, transistors, sensors, semiconductor tech. The revolution he brought about could eventually give us quantum computers, his general relativity for interstellar, inter-galactic travel...

ComradePhil 4y ago
Meh! Those "revolutions" by a single person are way too overrated. Oftentimes, things happen in science because other things that happen make it possible to happen. As long as enough people are working on these things, they are inevitable. Same is true for enterpreneurship... however, I believe Musk is one of the few who has built companies like Tesla, SpaceX, Boring etc. which nobody else would even want to get into because they thought they were not worth doing for making money. In fact, people like Bill Gates are still shorting Tesla because they don't believe it has value. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativity_priority_dispute https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativity_priority_dispute https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_relativity_priority_dispute https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_relativity_priority_...
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- Sebb767 4y ago
  > Oftentimes, things happen in science because other things that happen make it possible to happen. Just like in business. Electric cars were pushed by Musk, yes, but they were helped by rapidly increasing battery capacity and demand through the increasing sentiment against ICE cars. SpaceX is definitely also cool, but by now every billionaire seems to have it's own space company. SpaceX is still pushing for Mars like nobody else, but it's not like the field is deserted. > I believe Musk is one of the few who has built companies [...] which nobody else would even want to get into because they thought they were not worth doing for making money. Given how many insanely valued companies we have who's business model is basically to spend VC money (see, for example, Uber), I highly doubt this. There are also a lot of small-time car manufacturers, with quite a few specializing on electric vehicles even. There's definitely money to be made in this space. > In fact, people like Bill Gates are still shorting Tesla because they don't believe it has value. There's definitely a way where you can believe both, that a) Tesla really fast-forwarded the adoption of electric vehicles and did something good and b) that Tesla being the most valuable car company on the planet is insane. I'm not saying Elon achievements are not impressive, they definitely are and his net impact is positive. But just like Einstein, if it wouldn't have been for Elon, there would most likely be another company filling this space right now.
  - oxplot 4y ago
    > rapidly increasing battery capacity and demand That is solely and utterly because of Tesla. The reason for the demand was to build electric cars which Tesla and only Tesla, building butt load of BEVs required. Everybody else before Tesla showed up was either making hybrids with minuscule capacity requirement or low range BEVs in low volumes. > There are also a lot of small-time car manufacturers, with quite a few specializing on electric vehicles even. Again, all because or Tesla. They are all riding on Tesla’s success. Why do you think Rivian IPO was greater than century old car makers marker cap making multi million number of vehicles a year where Rivian made none?!! Tesla. > there would most likely be another company filling this space right now That is a pointless statement you can say about anyone at any time in history which is to say nothing. You can’t go back in time and let this play out by someone else. Elon is the one who did all this and we’re stuck with this history.

ernahrung 4y ago

>I'd give my money to keep him healthy, alive and kicking long before spending a cent on any charity hahahahah what You should probably learn about Elon Musk a little bit more before you finish building your shrine of him. He's a conman at best. >Musk moves things forward with whatever tech/science is available right now. Are you saying that Einstein didn't do that? I'm confused, do you have any idea how much of the tech that Elon is using is reliant upon the findings of Einstein? Genuinely awe-struck reading your comment, also he isn't even improving the planet, the lithium in all those batteries has to come from somewhere. Oh and the lithium batteries can burn for hours at extreme temperatures when they combust, and in some cases when this happens the Tesla's "advanced AI" will initiate the door locks, trapping you inside :) but it's okay, cause Elon is a cool guy on twitter :)

mirceal 4y ago
> He's a conman at best. Disagree. He’s a clown at best!

mirceal 4y ago

seriously? you’d pick a clown over someone who literally revolutionized physics? GPS, lasers, photovoltaic cells, spacetime to name the biggest things.

oxplot 4y ago
> you’d pick a clown over someone who literally revolutionized physics? Seriously? Clowns in your town start revolutions in manufacturing, energy, space travel, worldwide comms, etc.? Well if you consider how many things he's juggling at a time, he may actually be a circus performer. A darn good one - the best perhaps, given that he has also created jobs for 100K+ people in the world.
- mirceal 4y ago
  you need to step out of your bubble and critically examine what his contribution was. Revolutions? Really? Revolutions?

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