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It might empty out if that happens and be the end of it, but I know that the prospect of a forum for discussion that isn't constantly trying to poke the outrage

It might empty out if that happens and be the end of it, but I know that the prospect of a forum for discussion that isn't constantly trying to poke the outrage center of my brain sounds very appealing and I think that would be the case for many people. What would be even more magical would be a complete outing of all the dark PR that's going on. Flip over and show the filthy astroturfing underbelly of so much of the internet these days. That's probably not going to happen in the way that I wish but I'll still hope for it.

cwkoss 4y ago
Would be cool to do a deep analysis of all of the dark PR and astroturfing, then once they have solid data, make all the data about it public. Expose who is paying for shills and what the shills are saying. Could be a wikileaks-level society shaking revelation.
fleddr 4y ago
Same. The dynamic that not everybody understands is that harm in social media is not about people saying toxic or extreme things. They'll continue to do so. The issue is the speed and spread of those messages. Right now they are amplified like a snowball and end up dominating the tone and culture of the entire platform. Influencers are richly rewarded for it, whilst sane and reasonable people get crickets. That's the part that should be reversed, which is of course easier said then done, as it's the DNA of current Twitter. The thing that ordinary people like us should consider is political tolerance. Most people in this world are reasonable and are in the bandwidth center-left / center / center-right. That's the room for sane conversation. With this I mean to say that you should not double-down on "your side". When you're moderately progressive, you should equally reject far-left and far-right extremism. Whilst opening up to the reasonable people on the opposite side. Reject all crazy people.
- therouwboat 4y ago
  How do you reject crazy people without them thinking they are being censored? If their bot followers are removed and nobody sees their posts, isnt it just the same as if they were banned?
  - fleddr 4y ago
    To be perfectly honest, I hope that happens. Even better is if they leave.
Forgeties79 4y ago
>but I know that the prospect of a forum for discussion that isn't constantly trying to poke the outrage center of my brain sounds very appealing and I think that would be the case for many people I would be utterly shocked if he adjusted it from this path. Hell he personally revels in stirring the pot on twitter.
prawn 4y ago
My Twitter has almost no outrage because I avoid following those sorts of people or that sort of content. As a result, it's largely quite dull. A lot of personal content moved away a long time ago IMO. The structure of Reddit means that topic-based forums can work well in the absence of outrage and promoters, but I don't think Twitter can work like that without significant restructuring. Doubt Musk's focus would include that.

cwkoss 4y ago

Would be cool to do a deep analysis of all of the dark PR and astroturfing, then once they have solid data, make all the data about it public. Expose who is paying for shills and what the shills are saying. Could be a wikileaks-level society shaking revelation.

fleddr 4y ago

Same. The dynamic that not everybody understands is that harm in social media is not about people saying toxic or extreme things. They'll continue to do so. The issue is the speed and spread of those messages. Right now they are amplified like a snowball and end up dominating the tone and culture of the entire platform. Influencers are richly rewarded for it, whilst sane and reasonable people get crickets. That's the part that should be reversed, which is of course easier said then done, as it's the DNA of current Twitter. The thing that ordinary people like us should consider is political tolerance. Most people in this world are reasonable and are in the bandwidth center-left / center / center-right. That's the room for sane conversation. With this I mean to say that you should not double-down on "your side". When you're moderately progressive, you should equally reject far-left and far-right extremism. Whilst opening up to the reasonable people on the opposite side. Reject all crazy people.

therouwboat 4y ago
How do you reject crazy people without them thinking they are being censored? If their bot followers are removed and nobody sees their posts, isnt it just the same as if they were banned?
- fleddr 4y ago
  To be perfectly honest, I hope that happens. Even better is if they leave.

Forgeties79 4y ago

>but I know that the prospect of a forum for discussion that isn't constantly trying to poke the outrage center of my brain sounds very appealing and I think that would be the case for many people I would be utterly shocked if he adjusted it from this path. Hell he personally revels in stirring the pot on twitter.

prawn 4y ago

My Twitter has almost no outrage because I avoid following those sorts of people or that sort of content. As a result, it's largely quite dull. A lot of personal content moved away a long time ago IMO. The structure of Reddit means that topic-based forums can work well in the absence of outrage and promoters, but I don't think Twitter can work like that without significant restructuring. Doubt Musk's focus would include that.