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I have no issue with employers being exploited, they would exploit you too. But the housing thing is gross — the reason housing is so distorted is that the weal

I have no issue with employers being exploited, they would exploit you too. But the housing thing is gross — the reason housing is so distorted is that the wealthy are actively trying to deny folks access to housing. There are so many better ways. Landlording is always a scum action. It is a personal choice to seek rent with no benefit to society while enriching oneself and preventing others from building their own wealth. Landlords hobble the middle class wealth generation, extract most of the gains from industry and then refuse to maintain their properties. We need to make it so uncool to be a landlord. They are all scum, no exceptions.

s1artibartfast 4y ago
I'm sorry to hear that you have had bad experiences with landlords. I have had some really good ones, and some mediocre ones. Both groups helped me have a place to sleep when I saved to purchase a house, so to that extent, they upheld their part of the bargain. I would rather work with them than live in a charity shelter or rent from the government.
- randomhodler84 4y ago
  I’d rather that housing didn’t cost a death pledge for 30 years of labor — like say every other time in human history pre-1980s. I get that they provide you a house, me too, however if they didn’t exist housing wouldn't be a problem. It’s the best of a bad situation. At best a landlord that treats you well is the abnormality — they are still scum who deprives everyone else from ever owning a place.
  - s1artibartfast 4y ago
    I'll admit, it is an interesting thought experiment to explore what a society would look like with a 100% moratorium on rentals. It seems like you would have to do away with down payments or there would be widespread homelessness. I imagine mortgage rates would be through the roof, as new occupants wouldn't have equity in the house to protect. Owner occupation rates are about the same since the 1960s, and worse before. I wonder if there are examples that approach this ideal. Perhaps family homesteads during the US westward expansion, but even then there was a lot of landless workers.

s1artibartfast 4y ago

I'm sorry to hear that you have had bad experiences with landlords. I have had some really good ones, and some mediocre ones. Both groups helped me have a place to sleep when I saved to purchase a house, so to that extent, they upheld their part of the bargain. I would rather work with them than live in a charity shelter or rent from the government.

randomhodler84 4y ago
I’d rather that housing didn’t cost a death pledge for 30 years of labor — like say every other time in human history pre-1980s. I get that they provide you a house, me too, however if they didn’t exist housing wouldn't be a problem. It’s the best of a bad situation. At best a landlord that treats you well is the abnormality — they are still scum who deprives everyone else from ever owning a place.
- s1artibartfast 4y ago
  I'll admit, it is an interesting thought experiment to explore what a society would look like with a 100% moratorium on rentals. It seems like you would have to do away with down payments or there would be widespread homelessness. I imagine mortgage rates would be through the roof, as new occupants wouldn't have equity in the house to protect. Owner occupation rates are about the same since the 1960s, and worse before. I wonder if there are examples that approach this ideal. Perhaps family homesteads during the US westward expansion, but even then there was a lot of landless workers.